Yes we’re missing two things
Why do they get a say
I was well aware of it. Talking about the global spotlight. MSM coverage. That is when real change is possible. It’s not an excuse it’s reality.
That change in the analogy does not work because they were already going after all Palestinians, my dude. So who is the family is this analogy?
Well, they weren’t. They ramped up settlements in the west bank, using the tricks they learned in Gaza, and now are going to ethnically clense the entire population of gaza. The analogy holds.
Clearly you and I just disagree on a fundamental level. I don’t care what noises someone makes with their mouth while committing heinous acts, and I do not see a moral difference between committing a genocide and arming the people that you know are committing a genocide. Would you also make excuses for the people who knowingly worked with Nazis and made weapons for them?
Well there is a difference, of course. Not everything is binary, there is always nuance. I’d tell you to vote for the nazi’ if they were running against a worse oponent, yes. Just like I’d suggest voting for Trump if he was running against Hitler.
Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.
Not really it hasn’t been in the spotlight until Oct7th. That’s when real change can happen.
Two people stomp on you. One says “I want the violence to stop”, the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.
Two people stomping at you, one pulls out a knife and says ‘lets get this vermin and his family too’. There is a clear difference.
Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.
‘actively supporting the genocide’ isn’t the worst thing you can do. What Trump is doing is objectively worse.
Put it this way.
Which is worse?
Neo-proudhonian mutualist with a dash of agorist praxis via non-violent counter-economic ®evolution.
Changing the system by voting is not possible. The best we can do is pick the one closest aligned with our values, that will allow us to effectively organise (vs Trump turning the military on protestors/leftists), buy the Palestinians some time (vs literal cheering for ethnic clensing).
Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.
They’re statists and authoritarians—I don’t expect them to listen to reason, and I can’t change that. My criticism is directed at those who actively pushed for a worsening of the genocide by enabling that screwball to take power, rather than supporting actual anti-genocide leftists who understand that, flawed as it is, liberalism is still preferable to outright fascism. You should know better. Instead, you keep shifting between shill gambit, baseless accusations and bad-faith comparisons.
Chomsky also acknowledged pragmatic short-term engagement with existing structures (e.g., voting for the lesser evil) while aiming for long-term abolition of oppressive institutions, FYI.
In the 2016 and 2020 U.S. elections, he argued that it was morally imperative to vote for the Democratic candidate because the alternative would be worse for marginalized communities, climate policy, and global stability.
https://chomsky.info/an-eight-point-brief-for-lev-lesser-evil-voting
Conclusion: by dismissing a “lesser evil” electoral logic and thereby increasing the potential for Clinton’s defeat the left will undermine what should be at the core of what it claims to be attempting to achieve.
Yeah Trump and co have been speaking about it for months that’s what we were saying.
Maybe when someone tells you who they are, listen.
Auth-Left -> Co-opted by the Right
Lib-Right -> Co-opted by the authoritarians
Auth-Right -> Proud fascists
Lib-Left -> There’s like 10 of us
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Less Palestinians are dying, less bombs are being dropped, people are returning to Northern Gaza
What planet are you on, have you read the OP?
The well being of the Palestinians hinged on the unhingedness of bad orange man.
Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?
Because it means we haven’t been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things. So you’d want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur.
Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.
There was still a Palestine. Now there won’t be. It’s really not that complex. There is a clear difference.
Well, I knew this. A pragmatic anarchist who advocates for the better option. I’m anti-fascist before I’m an anti-statist. Give me liberalism any day of the week vs what’s coming. (Thx again eejit)
Still coping I see.
Most of the people roasting you here aren’t liberals. They’re anarchists, socialists, actual leftists that have always condemned the harm the US is causing. Just not dumbasses.
You sound just as dumb as the MAGAts calling people woke.
Good. Ceasefire was just a cover to ramp up the cleansing in the West Bank though. He’s worse on all fronts.
Jesus fuck you really think it was MSM libs that opposed you here.
Anarchist, know more than you, and it was completely evident this would happen which is objectively worse. Stop the cope.
I’m an anarchist dumbass I can just see the reality. Yous are as gone as maga. Victims of propaganda and acting against your own (and the palestines interests).
You aren’t anti-genocide. As we told you before the election, your outcome of your stance is pro genocide. And now the Palestinians have to pay the price for your stupidity.
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Biden literally sanctioned them just for settling, Trump reversed it.
Of course this wouldn’t have happened under Kamala. It may have dragged on for a bit, but they delayed the ceasefire until Trump got in, if he lost - they were down bad in an increasingly worsening PR situation and were somewhat tied to that. Now they don’t care, look at them. Probably launch gaza baby NFTs and pocket the profits too just for kicks.
Straight into the west bank as Adelson paid $100m for the privlege, and now celebrating an ethnic clensing. There won’t be a palestine at the end of this term.
What? The people who didn’t vote for her and/or advocated others do the same on the basis that they’d be equally bad for palestine.
Doesn’t really work once spaces are established. Most of reddits problems aren’t the admins, it’s the volunteer subreddit mods which function just the same as lemmy.