ITT a breath of fresh air. I am not alone in having an interest in personal finance, and understanding the basics of it.

Most of my interactions on lemmy so far have been making me feel guilty (and downvoted) for saving some money like I was a dirty billionaire, and to invest in index funds, using capital to further oppress the masses.

In Australia, at least at the beginning, bnpl services managed to bypass all money lending regulations based on the fact that they don’t charge interest. I know that there were discussions about fixing that but haven’t been following the topic in a while.

Like the other person, I also assume you meant lenders, not borrowers. Lenders WANT people that are terrible with their finances. Visa makes very little with me paying off my credit card in full every month, just some merchant fees. On the other hand plenty of Australians are in constant credit card debt and pay something like 18-22% interest on the money they borrow.

Good on the Dutch government to try and control that.

You are right, but you are going against the narrative of to this post, hence all the downvotes from the angry mob.

Celsius.

And the other one is spelled wrong too I believe, though that one doesn’t really matter.

Fuck me we did those conversions in primary school in Italy in the eighties. Can’t remember what year exactly but we were prolly 7yo?

Can’t say I disagree with your proposed treatment of Nazis. That said I wonder if you mistakenly replied to me instead of someone else? My point is that joining a cult for sense of belonging is not necessary, there are other ways to fulfill that need.

Before the Nazis Christianity was hijacked by the Spanish inquisition, and after the Nazis by pedo rings. I don’t see other organised religions performing much better either.

Sure, and yout point is?

I’m not convinced, sounds very much like when they say if you don’t follow religious morality, how can you have any morality at all.

There can be, and in many places there is, community, social life, sense of belonging and all that stuff outside of groups of lunatic happy clappers.

Find some volunteering group, you’ll get tradition, community and being part of something bigger, prolly not the music though. Where I am we are big into Emergency services, they are mostly run by volunteers but really you can find whatever works for you from animal shelters to helping people with personal finance if that’s your niche. , No need to waste time idolatring an imaginary friend that doesn’t reciprocate, you can do some actual good and feel good!

Rigatoni

Do you have conveyor belts going straight to your fridge now?

LOL we are having the same convo in multiple posts. See my other longer reply, but as I mentioned there we are not murdering them, murder refers to human beings. And it’s not that if you say “butchering” or “slaughtering” it comes through as nothing, these words are pretty loaded with meaning, and they are the correct ones.

Look, I am not “trying to push you into complying with the linguistic framework that legitimizes your perception of reality”, I am telling you that language is important and you can’t make words up or subvert the meaning of them, else society will not understand you at best, or think that you are just a lunatic at worst. Sure you can decide that for you “up” means “down” and insist that everyone else is wrong, but then you are probably wasting your time replying to others’ comments on social media.

I get where you are coming from, you really care about your ideas, but so do antivaxers and lots of other radicalized groups that are just drifting off reality and, well most of society thinks they are just lunatics. I am not even a native English speaker but a few examples:

“Murder” is defined as the killing of a person. I understand why you are using it for animals but it comes off wrong, that’s not what the word means, and the only use of it as an hyperbole (a karaoke singer killing a song) has the opposite meaning that you are trying to convey. There are plenty of words for describing the killing of animals and some of them are already loaded with meaning, it’s not like “slaughter” and “butchering” are used lightly. You don’t need to come up with your own vocabulary, that’s like Trump saying “bigly” he looks like an idiot to a non-maga crowd.

The word “formula” refers is an artificial (formulated) human milk substitute, your use of it to refer to “cow’s milk” sounds pretty ridiculous, particularly when you add another 3-4 words around it and when the rest of society uses the word milk to refer to cows’ milk, or if specified, to other milks like goat or soy. Your example where you use “meat” to refer to grains is just bonkers; and describing meat as “rotting” is just silly, as technically so are broccoli that have been cut off the plan: specifying that any food is rotting while waiting to be eaten, while technically not wrong, makes the person you are talking to wonder what is going on in your head.

Now let’s take this topic more broadly. Are the words vegans use merely ‘edgy’, or is it an attempt to encapsulate the totality of how monumentally bad of a predicament you carnists are putting us in? “Chick culling” sounds almost innocuous. Why don’t you try looking up that term on YouTube, and see what that entails.

Based on the above, I am afraid it is merely ‘edgy’. In fact it’s worse, people that talk like this come through as they are either 12 years old trying to cause a reaction, or just lunatics. You are really not making any favour to your cause, and I will come back to that later because that is a shame Still on language, I am not sure in what world “Chick culling” sounds almost innocuous, it describes exactly what it is, quite perfectly, it’s a horrible practice, do you really need to add any more words? One more thing that is quite annoying about radicalized groups is they tell you to check something up on Youtube or do your own research, I am very familiar with the concept of chick culling, I don’t like it, you don’t need to be vegan to know how certain industries work and suggesting it in that way is again off putting.

I am familiar with most of the arguments vegetarians and vegans use as I have been interested in tangential topics for a long time, I am passionate about environment, permaculture and food self sufficiency. Some of the points I actually agree with, I am against industrial practices like chicks culling, the way animals are treated in industrial farming, I agree that the planet would be better off if we all reduced meat consumption dramatically and if there were more vegetarians and vegans. I think that if someone is passionate about these and other messages they should try to convey them in a way that they can be absorbed by the rest of society. That is, if you want to convince anyone to marry your cause or part of it. And if you don’t want to, why are you even wasting words?

The reason why I am particularly annoyed when people do this is that there are some topics that I would be interested to discuss like adults, particularly where I stop agreeing with veganism, and this is just off putting. Example, I have three egg producing chickens that are treated like pets, they have plenty of space, protection, access to food, water and treats, they play with my babies, and they drop one egg each every day that they quickly forget about and they proceed to ignore. I use those eggs to feed my family and to reduce our meat consumption with something that is organic, nutritious and (in my opinion) ethically produced with no impact on the planet. In fact, the contrary is true because those chickens eat my leftovers and I use their poo as fertiliser. I’d like to understand how many people are vegans because industrial farming is a horrible practice, and how many would for example still eat eggs if they were produced more “humanely” like I do, and the reason why I am interested is that i cannot conceive non-industrial farming without animals being heavily involved, at the very least for using their shit to grow plants. In short, there are some discussions I’d enjoy having, but every time a vegan engages they distort the language and they make the assumption that I don’t know anything about industrial farming :)

I love this, “If vegans weren’t [x], we would…” … what? Take us seriously, what do you mean by that? Are you implying that if only I would say the approved things, you would actually go vegan?!

No not go vegan, but yes take you seriously and engage in an intelligent conversation, you know not like I’m talking with an edgy 12 years old

You think milk is the cause why you have obesity, diabetes and hearth disease?

Look vegetarians and vegans have a couple of good points that can be used to get more people interested. Keep going calling milk whatever you called it, referring to ‘murdered animals’ and making up shit to explain obesity and no wonder you can’t even convince your mum to take you seriously.

And 1/3 of the internet will defend them for 'reasons

I’m one of the people that often jumps in on posts like these. It’s hardly defending them, hear me out.

I’m not in the us, I looked at that picture for 45 seconds straight to understand what’s wrong with it, I assume it’s the price but I have no idea what that shit is so I had to read all the words on the package to understand if it was another issue…

The good news is that your life doesn’t depend on eating this shit. Don’t like the price, don’t buy it.

I hate how a serious issue, prices are going up is diluted down by people bringing in stupid arguments like Starbucks “coffee” costing a fortune or Netflix jacking up prices. My point I am not defending Graham, Starbucks nor Netflix, just stop buying overprinting that you don’t need or if you really do, stop complaining.

Now if we want to talk about the price of actual groceries, like fruit vegetables and meat we can all have a serious convo

Not sure is sarcastic or not but an interesting point. I eat meat and see some future in alternative meats, if produced, marketed and labelled clearly could benefit everyone.

That said I can’t stop but thinking that vegans should stop this nonsense of using murdered and other similar bullshit when talking, it removes any credibility they might have. Just saw in another post someone referring to milk as something like baby cow formula, and I facepalmed.

Sure, and that why when you walk into a shop and ask for milk, everyone asks you “what kind of milk would you like”?

baby cow growth formula.

LOL, way to be taken seriously

I am not sure why you say I’m treating you like a vegan, or gullible. All I saw in your previous post was ignorance, like GASP chickens eating meat. And cows getting murdered.

If I come to the US I’ll certainly consider a month off meat.

However why you are giving me all this dietary advice? I just asked why you think chicken in a sandwich is unhealthy and now you are trying to get me not to eat meat NOR sugar!

BTW I don’t eat sugar at all and cowspiracy is trash

Re your edit, no one is simping for Starbucks, just common sense. You don’t have to have milk with your coffee. For fuck sake, you don’t even have to have a coffee.

Want something unusual in your coffee? Pay for it.

Not happy, about how much they are charging for it. Make your fucking coffee at home before leaving the house and put whatever you want in there.

We are not talking insulin prices here, let’s get real.