Oh no, the Israeli soccer fans tore down a flag and chanted some rude things - they deserve to be hunted and beaten.

WTF do you think the Jewish community around the world has been dealing with for the past 14 months???

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There is no video of gang rape in that link.

Funny how people are so quick to accept anything people say about what Israel does but then turn around and argue about the evidence from 10/7.

LOL “commit so many genocides”

That just shows how meaningless the word is now. I’ll bet you didn’t know that anti-Zionists were accusing Israel of genocide during the 2014 war with Hamas - a war that lasted 6 weeks and had a death toll of a whopping 2300.

Your perspective on the conflict is totally warped. Israel is not the bully. We’re talking about a tiny country of 9 million people that you can drive across in 3 hours at its widest point. It is surrounded by Arab nations that have tried to destroy it several times, and for the past 30 years has been bullied by the proxies of the genocidal Iranian regime. Iran is the real bully in the Middle East.

Yeah, no

Really strange that they’re revealing this 3 weeks after it happened

Free the people of Iran

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Right, because we all know mainstream media like the BBC isn’t biased. This is the same news organization that published an article complaining about the environmental impact of the IDF whereas the Hamas rockets are much better for the environment. Fucking joke.

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Because of course anything that involves Jews as victims must be biased, huh? The result of “anti-Palestinian racism” or some crap like that?

I can’t help but notice that you’ve spammed Lemmy with this exact post.

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They’re not. The statement is nothing more than a face-saving move to avoid looking weak to other Middle East countries. They don’t want to retaliate because they know it will end with the destruction of their nuclear dreams, so they’re using the ceasefire as an excuse.

“We were viciously attacked by the terror proxy of a genocidal regime that wants to destroy us, but we shouldn’t respond because it’s bad for the environment.”

What color is the sky in your dream world?

Perhaps you’re not familiar with Israel’s incredible contributions to environmental technology innovation. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2022/12/01/the-world-wants-israels-energy-and-environmental-innovations/ https://startupnationcentral.org/blog/climatetech/climate-change-israeli-innovation/

https://www.greenpac.ca/post/solar-innovation-in-israel-making-use-of-the-desert-sun

I went back over my comments and can’t figure out what I said that you find so problematic. What could I have possibly said that is pushing you towards the anti-Zionist camp?

I am representative of centrist Zionists, which make up the vast majority. The problem is that people have been taught by extremist anti-Zionists that the right wing nutjobs in Israel are representative of Zionism, when they simply aren’t. It’s no different than me saying that Islam is a religion of terrorism. That would be blatant Islamophobia, wouldn’t it? But when it comes to Zionism, people think it’s okay to make sweeping generalizations and treat us all as racist fascist scum.

Every society has its extremists. Every single one. The difference with Israel is that Western progressives judge the entire country by its extremists.

I’m no Coates expert, but I haven’t heard him express the idea that “The Holocaust doesn’t give Israelis the right to treat Palestinians this way.”. I’ve heard him say something to the effect of “The Holocaust perhaps explains why Israelis treat others they way they do”. Coates take doesn’t excuse Israel, but does attempt to humanize their reaction. That isn’t the same idea that you’re expressing.>

That’s precisely what he’s implying. His argument starts from the premise that Israel treats the Palestinians poorly, which is wrong, and then postulates a possible explanation for that treatment. But his implication is very clear: it might be an explanation, but it’s not an excuse or justification. My point is that his explanation is wrong. What he perceives as poor treatment of the Palestinians (heavy security, checkpoints, limitations on travel, etc) is not because of the Holocaust. It has nothing to do with the Holocaust. It’s because the Palestinians have been actively murdering Israeli civilians in terror attacks for 40 years. Which is also why his apartheid narrative (which is shared by all anti-Zionists) is inaccurate.

Are you suggesting that Israel doesn’t treat those of the Islamic faith differently that those of Jewish faith as the prime criteria for that different treatment? The “why” is irrelevant. That’s Coates’s point. Any excuse to treat people of a different faith worse is apartheid with extra steps (and rationalization).>

Correct. All citizens of Israel, whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Druze, etc, have equal rights as citizens. The Palestinians don’t because they’re not Israel citizens. It has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity. It has to do with citizenship. This is a very, very important point that people don’t understand about Israel (or choose to ignore).

If he wasn’t capable of being objective and controlling their emotions with a specific interviewee, he should have bowed out and let others do the interview. Are you sure you watched the interview? Dokoupil’s very first question (nearly a monologue in itself) included such treats as:>

I did watch the interview. The extremist backpack comment may have been a bit melodramatic but Coates’ perspective is an extreme left wing position. And asking him directly if he thinks Israel doesn’t have the right to exist is not a strawman. It’s a question. And a very fair one, since that is the perspective of many who share Coates’ perspective.