2010: We want bigger batteries, they give us colorful phones
2015 We want bigger batteries, they give us 1mm thinner phones
2020 We want bigger batteries, they give us 5 cameras
2025 We want bigger batteries, they give us AI
Phones are a great example of the utter failure of capitalism to address what people actually need and want.
*folds phone in half*
That’s two batteries for the price of one.
More like two batteries for the price of two phones; foldables are still expensive AF
Two half-size batteries for the price of three full-size phones coming right up
It feels like yesterday some guy was arguing against me here on Lemmy about my personal choice of wanting a longer battery life.
WELL LOOK AT ME NOW BRO
No bro, it’s totally better to get 5-6 hours of battery and AI cause like it’s so incredible bro
Your battery’s still short of 4 hours. 😁
Battery usage:
- 86%
- 3 days ago (last charge)
- 18 days left
That’s what I currently have with close to no usage. With usage it’s around 10 days in total. When using GPS it depends.
Wait, your phone battery lasts 18 days?! Is it a Nokia flip phone?
It’s an Oukitel.
Oukitel
Wow, that’s nuts! I have never heard of them, but that is super cool, and I’m glad I know about them now. Thank you!
There’s a lot of rebrands of these phones. If you get a rugged phone from an unknown brand it’s very possible it’s an Oukitel rebrand.
I’ve had a few but I mostly take one that doesn’t look too rugged. Enjoyed every one of them. They are also pretty easy to repair. (If you are able to remove the screen)
People have been asking for thicker phones with more battery for years. Wth
I think the battery system that’s best for everyone would be user-replaceable batteries. That way you can have an extra battery on hand to swap in as needed, or even extra-capacity batteries that make your phone a little thicker for people who are okay with that.
Those of us who do actually prefer thinner, lighter phones can still have them (maybe with a slight increase in thickness to accommodate the attachment mechanisms). Plus bigger batteries are a huge waste of resources if the capacity isn’t going to be used.
that was a thing in the early days. most clamshells had em and a few flat panels (called candybars)
First few galaxy phones. Pretty much all of the first few generations of smart phone except apple
yep. first one i had with a non removable battery was the lg v30. battery was removable but you voided the warranty to do it and it required opening the entire case with a knife edge
In fairness the removable battery came with a pretty significant tradeoff.
Water resistance.
Many would happily take a reduction in water resistance for replaceable batteries, the problem is no one gives us the choice
EDIT: inaccurate statement. Fairphone offers removable batteries
There are phones that give you this choice. The Fairphones for example. The back cover is easily removable and you can pop out the battery like in the ol’ days. It has an IP55 as far as I know.
That sounds sweet, I’ll consider Fairphone once my current android dies its not so noble death
At that point I think many would just get a decent powerbank. I’d prefer a larger capacity battery, 7000-10000mah even if the phone is slightly heavier and bigger. Especially for travel.
I disagree, swappable battery > power bank.
Used to have a swappable battery. It was great, you could have like 3 of em and instantly be able to get back to 100% without having to be attached to a cord. I wish I could do the same for my SteamDeck now, it would be great :'(yeah and with a swappable system with a couple battery sizes you could do that. and I could choose a slimmer battery.
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yeah I agree those are a good option too, but that doesn’t solve the issue of replacing a worn out battery. that’s why I think we need swappable batteries.
When I replaced my 5 year old phone the only two benefits I saw was OLED screen (never going without again) and the battery life going from maybe a day to like 40 hours
I just replaced my iPhone older than six years old with a 16 Pro Max… OLED to OLED, but now 120hz. Magnificent. And yeah, the battery lasts forever now.
It would be mice to have better battery life.
2008 and onwards.
Edit: was so confused about the answers til I noticed the error :-p
Still got to feed the mice if you want to keep your battery topped off. 😉
I always drop breadcrumbs on my mousemat for this purpose.
Logitech ‘pebble’ with an AA battery.
Do people here actually use AI? And if so…for what?
I use AI for what Google used to be able to do: Finding answers to simple questions. Usually about tech but sometimes movies or music. Like how do I add a physical volume to LVM, or what are the specs of this little fan model? Or who was that actress in a movie about kids buried in a collapsed building? Things like that…
But does it actually link the source or does it just say a basic answer and you have to take a leap of faith?
It links to the original article it found so you can check its work, which is nice. It’s perplexity.ai if you’re curious. I find it quite useful. And as much as AI makes shit up I wouldn’t trust it otherwise.
Cool. Yeah I think the best use case of AI is just gonna be better search of unorganized that. Having said that though, it would never be as good as a good search engine with organized data.
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So here’s the path that you’re envisioning:
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Someone wants to send you a communication of some sort. They draft a series of bullet points or short version.
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They have an LLM elaborate it into a long-form email or report.
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They send the long-from to you.
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You receive it and have an LLM summarize the long-form into a short-form.
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You read the short form.
Do you realize how stupid this whole process is? The LLM in step (2) cannot create new useful information from nothing. It is simply elaborating on the bullet points or short version of whatever was fed to it. It’s extrapolating and elaborating, and it is doing so in a lossy manner. Then in step (4), you go through ANOTHER lossy process. The LLM in step (4) is summarizing things, and it might be removing some of the original real information the human created in step (1), rather than the useless fluff the LLM in step (2) added.
WHY NOT JUST HAVE THE PERSON DIRECTLY SEND YOU THE BULLET POINTS FROM STEP (1)???!!
This is idiocy. Pure and simply idiocy. We send start with a series of bullet points, and we end with a series of bullet points, and it’s translated through two separate lossy translation matrices. And we pointlessly burn huge amounts of electricity in the process.
This is fucking stupid. If no one is actually going to read the long-form communications, the long-form communications SHOULDN’T EXIST.
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if you believe that ai summary, i have a bridge that i’d like to sell to you.
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do look up the “forer effect” and then read that ai summary again.
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Yep, pretty much every single “good” use case of AI I’ve seen is basically a band aid solution to enshitification.
You know what’s a good solution to that? Removing the profit motive.
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Summarizing, drafting things, understanding complex things that are filled with jargon, etc.
Mostly stupid stuff involving sailor moon for me, using the lie machine for anything but funny pictures seems like maybe a bad idea at the moment:
- Write stream of consciousness and have AI turn it into a decent email
- Tell me the name of this thing so I can research it
- Coding, but don’t expect it to be a good coding tutor
- Bedtime stories where kids decide what happens next and I don’t always have to tax my brain after a long day of work
- I’m taking a road trip to San Francisco. Plan it for me with stops for sightseeing, eating, and sleeping.
How about making a phone that’s a whole millimeter thicker just to make the glass thick and strong enough that it won’t break if you drop it?
Great idea! Unless of course the replacement of parts and broken phones is a core part of the business model.
Even if it were thicker I’d still slap on a sacrificial glass screen protector atop it. I’ve dropped my phone only a handful of times, and so far have only ever broken the protector.
Just slap a shield on it, there’s your added thickness and better drop resistance all in one!
Rubbish. If my phone isn’t so thin that it can double as a knife, it’s not worth buying.
yeah but you can’t set inflate your stock value based on hype about battery life.
people forget that these features aren’t for users. it’s for idiots who invest in ridiculous shit hoping it to be the next big thing.
No! I don’t care about battery! I want to become more dependent on advertising companies to arrange my daily life!
Give me a phone that’s 1.5 cm thick (before the camera bump) and lasts two days and I’ll buy fucking 10 of them.
JUST STOP. MAKING. THEM. THINNER.
They have. The iphone 6 was I think the thinnest iphone at 6.9mm thick. The X was 7.7mm, and the 15 is 7.8mm thick. And at least for my use I do get 2 days of battery life. Even with the 80% charge cap.
No, they want a thicker phone, not thinner
Overall phones have been getting chunkier, larger too. I dislike the size, but like the added battery life from the thickness is nice. My pixel 8 is perfect in both regards for me :)
Edit: just saw the sub. Don’t really know a lot about apple phones specifically.
They’re pushing AI so hard but most people just see it as a gimmicky thing. The only people who care are the investors.
I barely use my phone as anything more than a glorified pager. I don’t need fucking AI.
Also I want my OS to be an actual OS with root access. I want Linux in particular.
Like you know, you can setup a file share to back up files. You can back up your phone and get a new one easily. If you lost a phone you can bring it back. Your files organized the way you want and not some things here and done things there like the apps want.
I really hope the AI hype dies off
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