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      Facts about one of the worst people in history, along with the jokey implication that he’s in hell, are so woke, aren’t they?

      Clearly the non-woke thing would be to celebrate the guy who was so atrocious to the natives that even the Spanish royals were outraged and had him brought back to Spain in chains.

      But hey, he “discovered America,” am I right? Ignoring the millions of people who already lived there at the time, along with the Vikings who got there 500 years before he did.

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        Facts about one of the worst people in history, along with the jokey implication that he’s in hell, are so woke, aren’t they?

        “Hitler is in hell.” Omg that’s hilarious. You so wise and witty and funny, what a clever connection you made in a humours way. No, that’s not a joke.

        It’s woke because it isn’t a joke. It is some feel good sense woke people can go “Yea!” too and pat each other on the back.

        Clearly the *non*-woke thing would be to celebrate the guy who was so atrocious to the natives that even the Spanish royals were outraged and had him brought back to Spain in chains.

        No really no. I guess a non woke joke in this context would be more like “hey I’m dead, I can see me uncle!” “Umm… No he’s in a different place” “no that totally make senses, I can see that”.

        It’s not a joke set purely on the premise of circle jerking some social justice statement that people pretend is constructed into a funny joke because people want to feel like they are on the right side. But it does change the pace and direction, which is how a lot of jokes are constructed.

        I don’t mind dark jokes and I don’t mind clean jokes. A woke joke isn’t about being funny it’s about commended for having the right view.

        But hey, he “discovered America,” am I right? Ignoring the millions of people who already lived there at the time, along with the Vikings who got there 500 years before he did.

        There could be a joke in there but it wouldn’t be a good one.

        Just to be clear the additional context someone else added means that joke could have had humour in it.

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          Interesting that your real issue here is about “wokeness” and not people enjoying the idea of one of the greatest monsters in history getting what he deserves.

          I’m guessing I know what you think about what “place” Columbus should have ended up in.

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            So you are just circle jerking over the fact that you all share the exact same idea that didn’t need to be said because you all know it. But by announcing it you can all circle jerk over the fact that you all had the same view?

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                  Take it however you like. You’ve put a lot of effort into complaining about other people having a good time at the expense of someone who, I guess, you consider to be a hero.

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                    I don’t know where you got that from. Don’t even know the guy.

                    Mate your effort levels of shit posting here are unmatched. Kettle black an all that.

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      It’s a scene from a show. The joke is that woman being a killjoy. Yes, the scene may need to be explained, but so does, like, that “this is my hole” meme. If you don’t understand context, then it may miss you.

      And, honestly, even if it is “woke,” okay? Like, I don’t understand the issue. Just that you don’t think it’s funny?

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        Being a killjoy can be a funny joke.

        Having something of noteworthiness just for being woke is meaningless.

        Like whats the point? Oh wow Columbus is bad. What insightful, thought provoking idea, no one has ever thought that before. It is so original and so funny. Classic. Absolutely brilliant, I wish I could shake your hand.

        No it achieves nothing. It is showing your tribe that you hold a view that is already strongly established in that tribe and everyone congratulates you and themselves for holding a view that everyone holds and announcing it to the world. That’s why its woke, its pointless. It’s not interesting or funny.

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          I think you’re really hung up on that they brought up that Columbus was a shitty person. The joke isn’t even about that. Like you said, it’s well known, it’s the context in which the information is being given that makes it funny.

          I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Scrubs, but there’s a scene when a character burst into the scene singing “It’s a Beautiful Morning.” Turns out he’s at a funeral. That isn’t funny because the character sang a song, it’s funny because of where he was singing it and how it’s juxtaposed with where he was. What you’re doing right now is, “so what’s the joke? That it’s a beautiful morning? We already know that! This is woke bullshit!”

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            If you put that scene up would you cut out the part that involves the funeral?

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              If I was posting it as a meme? Maybe. I could see myself posting like… “someone waking up at 6 am VS someone already up” and post just the character singing the line. Would I expect everyone to get it? No, not unless I’m posting in a place where 100% of the people are supposed to know the next scene is him at a funeral. But I’d be okay knowing that some people may not get the joke because I didn’t post, “by the way, you see, in this scene, this character is saying ‘it’s a beautiful morning,’ but it is in fact not a beautiful morning! Because he is actually at a funeral, which is so sad! I used this because, while someone who is still awake might enjoy an early morning, someone who is just waking up may not. You see, if you watched the show, you will know the next scene is people looking confused and offended at the funeral. This would be the face of the early riser, would it not! Oh, what a laugh! Please see this link to the full scene and episode, so the joke can really hit you.”

              Tons of memes are reduced to their basic parts. That’s just memes. Hell," Loss" is a great example of that. It’s just layout at this point. And sometimes if you don’t see the reference where people sneak it in, you’re just like, “I don’t get it, this just looks like a normal post” and that’s okay. It’s okay not to get the joke.