For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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      everything that has happened so far has happened under a dem administration. 40+k deaths and endless displaced. Stop being delusional, dems are genocidal and you’re guilty too.

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          That’s exactly how eventually you are going to get Trump. Voting the lesser evil always, inevitably leads to the major evil. I live in a country that already elected fascists with this same logic and US is going to follow soon.

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          So… Your solution is to increase the chance that we elect a guy that not very subtly hinted at letting Israel kill everyone in Gaza

          Biden is already actually doing this. Biden is already materially supplying the necessary means for this genocide, in weapons, logistics, diplomatic support, PR pushes. And Kamala has been perfectly in line with him the entire time.

          Aside from this, your lesser evil logic is inherently self-defeating and us why you are always trying to split hairs in which war criminal to cheer on rather than actually opposing them. A competent electoralist would priorituze building leverage (withholding votes while making demands) and consciousness (so that number is large enough to matter). Instead, you are repeating what those in power tell you to say, for their own benefit.

          But how much time do we really need to spend on bad strategy when you openly support genociders, and therefore, the genocide they are carrying out? Democratic voters are not hard-nosed strategists building power for their causes, making reluctant compromises. They vote based on personal morals and propaganda campaigns.

          Believe it or not, your personal morals should include fighting against genocide, not for its perpetrators.

          I don’t like the democrat party and they do a lot wrong, but they’re still a hell of a lot better than Republicans.

          You like it enough to go to bat forvit while it carries out genocide. Spare us the feigned reluctance.

          Anyone voting for the PSL party this election is just voting for Trump.

          This is a good example of why you should engage critically with what your masters handle down to you as talking points. By this sane logic (not voting for a major party’s candidate) a vote for PSL is a vote for Harris so don’t worry it all balances out.

          But of course, that isn’t actually how electoralism works. Electoral power, such as it is, does not emerge from your personal “reluctant” vote for genocide. Nor does it emerge from repeating the logic that it you just support the lesser evil team, it will all work out, just wait around for the needed change. Electoral piwer emerges from leverage, from having material consequences for not meeting demands, and the only real material consequence in an election is that you lose.

          It is a moral and strategic imperative that the genocidal Biden-Harris administration lose this election and that it is clear they list due to supporting genocide.

          It is up to you whether you want to contribute to that moral and strategic imperative or throw your vote into the historical pile of supporters of oppression. Whether you will fight for liberation or be MLK’s white moderate.

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          How can Trump be any worse on this? Biden/Harris are already giving Israel everything they want. How could you give them more?

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      while Biden/Harris/Walz support Israel defending itself within its borders but don’t support genocide.

      This needs to be a joke. Is Gaza part of Israel now?

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      Trump has said “finish it”, without elaborating AFAIK. Do you have evidence that he means “wipe out Gaza”?

      while Biden/Harris/Walz support Israel defending itself within its borders but don’t support genocide.

      They do support genocide. They’ve been supporting it this whole time. They have said they will continue to support it.