Police def overdid it, but part of the problem might be that some people would prefer to pay the fine for speeding because it’s insignificant to them. This specific component of the legal system is broken because it treats the wealthy exactly the same as everyone else.
Over here speeding gets a fine and points on your license which when you hit the magic number you get your license revoked…
Those points can almost always be negotiated down.
I have spent a couple years badmouthing this dude, but the police bodycam footage is pretty crazy. It’s also crazy to me that a bunch of Miami cops would pull over one of the city’s most well-known athletes and nobody was like “gee, maybe we shouldn’t go so hard on this one, he’s famous”
I am a huge police accountability buff. But also, law matters, and court rulings matter. If police order you out of your car for their safety (in the US), you have to comply. If you do not, they are authorized to use force to pull you out and almost never do that gently. Cops absolutely use excessive force all the time, so not doing things that specifically give them permission would be smart. Him rolling up his tinted windows and refusing to get out of the car are what made this happen.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, but maybe for a simple speeding offense they didn’t need to drag him out of the car? Just because they are allowed to based on past court cases doesn’t mean they should use that for every issue they see.
There are a lot of people who want to end qualified immunity and reform many realities of policing today. I am describing the reality today. There’s a reason I say I’m interested in police accountability/transparency.
The time between them ordering him out of the car (not asking to roll down the window) and them forcing him out was a few seconds.
The one I saw was longer, they knocked at least two different times and he kept telling them off.
But they didn’t tell him to get out of the car yet. He should have rolled down the window yes, but that’s a separate issue than Penn vs Mimms.
Sure, but once they establish a pattern of non-compliance it doesn’t reset with each new instruction. They expect he will resist getting out of the car based on his refusal to roll down the window. At that point they have to choose whether to get him out of the car quickly, or risk non-compliance issue with that, which could involve fleeing or hitting people with his car.
When officer or public safety are at risk they will always choose to take someone into custody to stabilize the situation and then reassess from there.
The situation with the window can’t be separated from the treatment with the door.
That is a policy of escalation, there is no reason to follow it. It just makes situations where this is more likely. It’s a miniscule increase in safety for an officer at a cost of massive risk to the public.
That’s just naive. And that’s a big claim, a “massive risk” to the public, so back it up… Who got hurt in this instance?
The three people cops killed today, the at least double that of dogs, and had Hill nor been an nfl player on game day he would probably still be in jail.
The clip I saw at the link looked like it was edited right there, I’d love to see the raw video. It could have been too quick, it could have been longer. I don’t know.
Nice to finally see someone who knows Penn v. Mimms out in the wild.
Everyone here gobblin up this rich domestic abusers BS just because the other party is a cop 🙄
Keeping your heavily tinted window rolled down during a traffic stop is not an unreasonable request. Dude’s driving a $300k car and acting like an asshole to someone just doing their job. gimme a break. There are actual instances of racist police overreach that we aren’t paying enough attention to. This isn’t one of them.
As a white woman who’s gotten tickets - I only open my window 2-3 inches to hand my documents through. It’s all I am obligated to do so we can communicate and I can provide documentation. Considering the amount of rape and murder the police conduct, I think this is reasonable. Idk why this man has to have his window down too. I’ve rolled mine up during traffic stops when it was very cold or very hot, as Florida probably is right now. It’s a huge abuse of power and completely unnecessary to attack a citizen for rolling up a window. No one should defend this. It’s fascism. There’s no crime for rolling up windows.
I expected to come here and see the police way out of line. Instead they are a little bit, but Hill was disrespectful and non-compliant.
Good way to justify police violence.
Sorry, did you say something rude? That’s a
paddlinslam down on the pavement
So you think it is ok to answer a disrespectful rolling up of a window with physical violence?
I’d hate to be in any way related to you.
