In a win for equality, misogyny will be treated as extremism under new UK Labour government plans set to be completed by October.
  • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
    172·
    4 months ago

    Mixed feelings about this. First things first, misogyny and online harassment in the wider “internet” is rampant, and yes I believe someone has to do sth about it. I am not sure a super-surveillance nation state expanding its definition of extremism is what I wished for though. What if it was Russia? On top of that: This coming from the highly transphobic UK rubs me the wrong way. I am not sure they will not label transgender rights activism as extremism as well, given how many outlets in the UK entertain Rowling’s delusion that it is a misogynistic movement, no less while UK TERFs’ litigation is piling up, accusing trans people of harassing them. I am not buying it, yet.

    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      4 months ago

      The suicide rate is going up among boys. Might as well encourage it at this point.

      Misogyny makes the problems young men face worse. Stemming that tide is a good thing.

      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
        31·
        4 months ago

        And telling them over and over that 50% of the population sees them as a threat is going to help? And it so easy to get label as misogynistic where do we call it extremism?

        • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          so easy to get label as misogynistic where do we call it extremism

          Um, incels have long been in the spotlight as possibly violent extremists. TBF research says that a minority of them become mass shooters, but their ideology is as clearly misogynist as it gets.

          over and over that 50% of the population sees them as a threat

          It is so easy to pick up some minimal etiquette, which most guys use to feint decency and lead normal lives, despite being more or less misogynist on the inside. If you can hardly stick to that ridiculously low bar, then in good faith, you might need to talk to a professional?

          If you spew Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson nonsense at your first encounter with a woman, then yes you are perceived as a possible threat and women are smart enough to show one the door.

          • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
            1·
            4 months ago

            Stuff like this is what I am talking g about. I think it’s a legitimate concern that we are adding yet another watch list that only targeting one group of people and now you are just assuming I am dome Petersen mutant.

            • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
              21·
              4 months ago

              I mean, even the struggle to self-censor crap beliefs is pathetic. Most guys don’t even censor themselves or outright announce that they self-censor. Like refraining from spewing transphobia and misogyny in front of women is like refraining from farting on a date. Most women are not even that pedantic with these things. The fact that this poses a mental toil on you as if you cannot tell a radicalized incel from an average dickhead is really alarming. I hope you find peace.

    • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      It is pretty unclear what you are trying to say. If you are suggesting that this regulation (good or bad in itself) bears a relation to the mental turmoil suffered by young men, you should back it up with some evidence. This is some remote innuendo.

      In reality, mental health organizations like APA recognize that young men are under lot of pressure, which leads to addiction, violence, self-harm, steroid abuse, depression, and even suicide. There are special guidelines for counseling young men, and there is active research about the root cause.

      A rigid traditional understanding of masculinity is shown to be the main culprit.

      Do you have anything to back up your claim that regulating misogyny somehow has an effect on young men’s and boys mental well being? So far it is shown that the likes of Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson cause greater harm than this ill-conceived law.

      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 months ago

        But you are just replacing it with a new standard instead of worrying about being viewed as being unmanly it’s now fear of being seen as misogynistic and now there are legal reasons to worry.

        • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          Right enough, the old standard is toxic and must go. You can wear a dress, cry in public, take it up yours. You still will be a manly man.

          there are legal reasons to worry

          "You could go to jail for saying the wrong thing! And how you are supposed to know what is considered offensive this month? Who knew you will have to subscribe to a feminist newsletter to be a man? " Did someone get addicted to old privileged sex roles, and now they feel they will be persecuted for hating women’s bodily autonomy?