The motive behind Jovanovic’s actions was reportedly her fear that motherhood would jeopardise her professional career as a lawyer for a prestigious car brand.
What the fuck
Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.
It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”
Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.
That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.
My guess: didn’t know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.
Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn’t know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn’t give you any room for error.
By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can’t handle it, how it can’t be happening, how she can’t be a mother, doesn’t want to be a mother, can’t - not doesn’t want to, but can’t! CAN’T you understand?! - stop to work.
So she delivers secretly. By this point she’s too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.
So she kills her newborn.
Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.
She didn’t choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn’t do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.
She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.
And she’s a lawyer.
There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.
Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.
Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.
Yeah the title doesn’t mention that she gave birth in secret and threw the baby out her window 10 minutes later…
German-language media says that she claims to not have known that she was pregnant, her Internet search history showed she likely did. Defense said that she was traumatized and had suppressed that she knew. Psychiatric evaluation says she was fully accountable. It’s kinda obvious that there was something very wrong going on, though.
Yeah this is a pretty important detail I think.
Gee do you think?
" Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth."
How can one unaware of her pregnancy until give birth ?You think you would notice missing 9 periods, having your entire nipple area change color and produce milk, need to go pee every thirty minutes, feet swelling, rapid temperature changes, focus problems, food cravings, vomiting for three months, odor sensitivities, not being able to tie your shoes, weird fast reflexes, urge to take on home repair projects, and skin changes.
But I am positive someone here will tell me about their friend’s cousin former yoga instructor’s roommate who didn’t notice for some reason and act like this is the norm
It’s not the norm but it’s also not unheard of.
No joke I have a friend of mine who just went to sleep one night and woke up with a baby covered in blood crying on her bed, umbilical chord still attached… Glad she doesn’t roll over in her sleep
Now there’s a word you don’t get to use very often!
Unless you follow Russian news!
defenstrating!
Exactly…
I know. I need eye bleach after reading that headline.
What the fuck I just read ?
Ok I legitimately laughed at this. Well done, sir.
You know what else I bet would jeopardize her professional career?
Also that’s murder, not manslaughter.
7.5 years of jail?
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
And the social consequences of course
As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.
My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows
Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can’t be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.
Yeah, what if the baby was an asshole?
‘Who are we killing, I won’t do kids, that’s a rule, but the rule’s negotiable if the kid’s a dick.’
- Adrian Pimento, B99
Also it is really important that we consider all points of view. Maybe the pro-baby throwing out of the window side raises some interesting arguments. Let’s hear them out
Personally I like to listen to all sides
Fucking extremist!
You say that but it’s well known some of them babies are out to get ya
Least psychopathic lawyer
Those speed runners find the weirdest bugs in the simulation
Holy fuck lol
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This is sad, and it’s a shame the prosecutors are only going to be interested in a conviction. This woman is obviously suffering, and needs medical help for her postpartum depression.
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She murdered a baby. She needs rehabilitation, help, sure, but it doesn’t get much worse than baby killing, imo.
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Terrible attempt at a straw man at the end there, 2/10.
Please give your children up for adoption instead, what the fuck
Hmmm. It looks like Germany has fairly strict limits on the availability of abortion; it’s on-demand up to 12 weeks, but requires mandatory counseling first. It seems like perhaps expanding abortion access to on-demand up to the point of realistic fetal viability and eliminating the counseling requirement might–might–have led to a different outcome here.
I wonder if she had attempted to terminate her pregnancy prior to this point?
For the people saying that she should have just adopted the infant: that’s extremely difficult for someone to do, even if they know that they don’t want a child or are not capable of caring for it. I’ve seen multiple teens end up keeping children that they didn’t plan on, didn’t want, and had no means to care for, all because they couldn’t go through with an adoption in the end.
If you can’t stand to give your baby up, you’re also not going to be willing to throw it out the window
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she threw one out of a moving vehicle.
Building. She threw it out of her apartment.
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Let’s set aside motive and treat this woman’s obvious problem with her mental health. The last thing she needs is criminal proceedings and punishment that achieves nothing apart from getting conservative dicks hard.
I guess she didn’t think infanticide would hurt it? She’s clearly not a good lawyer.
You’re a fucking lawyer for a prestigious car brand. Surely hiring a god damn nanny was a better solution than child murder?
Take a week off, go to the hospital to get yourself and baby checked out. While in hospital, order a car seat. They’ll probably give you some diapers and an outfit or blanket.
Then, when you leave the hospital, head to fire dept and place baby in the “need a baby, take a baby, have a baby, leave a baby” box.
I know you’re being facetious, but this was in Germany where workers actually have rights to take a week off, and healthcare is freer than breadsticks.
That’s sad that your first assumption was that I was joking because I said “take a week off” and “go to the hospital”. Not a statement about you but about the state of things in some areas.
Though it’s also sad that I silently assumed those weren’t outlandish suggestions because she was a lawyer (though, as a Canadian, I did forget for a moment that “go to the hospital” might be a showstopper rather than the minimum level of care a parent who doesn’t want their surprise baby should do before abandoning it at the fire dept).
The only part that I had intended as tongue in cheek was the “leave a baby, take a baby” bit. The comment was intended as a “this is a better way to handle this than dropping the baby out of the nearest window that doesn’t involve having to take care of the baby at all, beyond a week of dealing with it with a minimum level of responsibly.”
Alternatively, put the baby in a box with a towel, drop it off in a location where it can survive 5 minutes and call 911 to that location. Or call an adoption agency.
I’m not sure she’s actually wrong in the part about it Jeopardizing her career, because let’s face it sometimes that’s true. However did that not occur to her before she had the child? Surely she should have known that and not had a kid if that was her main priority.
Or, she’s a lawyer for a luxury car company…
So hire a god damn nanny?
So, I’m guessing abortion is banned or banned early in Germany?
It’s complicated. Basically it’s illegal, but there’s exceptions. The one exception that makes this law very weak, is that it isn’t illegal anymore if you got counseling at a place specialised for it.
Rape and medicinic reasons are also exceptions and counseling with the doctor is enough in that case.
It also has to happen in the first 90 days after getting pregnant.
She claims she didn’t know she was pregnant.
Did she not know about adoption either?
You also have the option to give up newborns at hospital sites anonymously and safely without any fear of persecution. I would have expected that you would know such a thing if you’re smart enough to become a lawyer, this was anything but a rational decision.
