Relegated? The iPhone has always had USB 2.0 speeds…
so very apple to punish it’s own users because they have too many old components they need to use up, but if you’re paying for PRO you get actual 2023 modern USB.
so very, very apple.
One last little ‘f you for making us do this’
Whatever, still better than lightning.
they don’t care because apple punishes the poors at every opportunity anyway. soldered on ram & ssd’s on their laptops for fucks sake
Apple’s not the only one with soldered on components.
dunno why you’re downvoted, you’re completely correct.
BUT
Apple is the only one charging eye-watering prices for the privilege. Yeah, there is that lol.
Agreed on the cost.
Yeah I have a Thinkpad Carbon X1. It has soldered on RAM.
You kind of chose the wrong series laptop to point this out. X series ThinkPad is ultra-portable line where sole focus is on weight and thickness. You can make an argument that memory clip doesn’t weigh a lot, but they really reduce every gram they can. Literally every other series has clip-on RAM.
Even if we ignore RAM, on ThinkPad pretty much everything is replaceable with a single screwdriver. Literally anything. You grab FRU#, find part that matches it and off you go. With Apple it’s ungluing battery, ripping things apart. Hell even keyboard is riveted into the case and you have to drill holes and make threads to replace it. It’s not comparable at the slightest.
ugh… please don’t support companies that do this. I’d never purchase a pc laptop that didn’t allow ram or ssd upgrades. insanity! I SAY!
the dumbing down and enshittification will only proceed if people buy their products.
Apple blazed the trail though, really pushed the idea that saving a millimeter by going to glued/soldered on components is a good idea
Apple wasn’t the first to solder components onto the motherboard.
Lately the base model is usually last year’s old pro processors and micro controllers. Next year the base 16 will probably have the faster IO if the trend continues.
Completely agree. No company redesigns all of their products each year. They redesign the top tier and then its shifts downward the next year. GPU, CPU, Motherboard, hell even cars do this. Not all models included Carplay and Android Auto when it launched, just the high end cars did, but now all of them do.
USB IO speed aside, Apple’s phones have gotten to the point where 3 and 4 year old chipsets are still VERY performant. They now have the wiggle room to put more bleeding edge silicon in top tier phones, be ok with smaller yields at first, and scale fabrication over the year.
That all being said, given that everyone was going to been eyeing this USB port, they probably should’ve taken one on the chin and changed the stupid IO speed. Although, the people complaining about this probably aren’t Apple’s core market anyway. So maybe they were right.
My XS Maxxx is many many years old at this point and it’s STILL SO FAST!
I’ve also never reformatted it, which is wild.
I suspect next year’s base will have a revised version of this year’s processor. The iPhone 15 Pro has an A17 Pro. This is the first A Series chip with a “Pro” label. I don’t expect something “Pro” to make it into the base model.
What will change between the A17 Pro and the A17? Who knows. It might include the upgraded USB controller though.
Exactly. And the usb controller is built into the chip.
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Did you watch the presentation? They literally showed and said the usb controller was part of the A17 Pro SoC
You’re right. Good catch.
This is Apple at it again, do bare minimum and charge premium. They left USB2 because it required no work, but they had to put type C because EU regulation. Since USB is backwards compatible, solution is just solder half of the connector, charge premium price and fuck you customers. And they are right, people don’t care. Instead they go defending it like “I don’t need it anyway”, “Am not a pro, I don’t need it”, etc.
Ah, yes last year. Usb 2.0 was invented in, like what, 2001? A shitty phone cpu from 2 years ago is probably at least as powerful as the pentium 4 I had back in the day. Come the fuck on.
Just saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if they were reusing some boards or controllers with limited throughput that their manufacturing plants and fabs were already pumping out. Cook got famous for being an operational efficiency nerd that made sure Apple had very little spare parts and inventory on the books.
But yeah, iPhone physical IO speeds have been slow for a looong time. My guess is that so much of Apple’s install base is syncing over the cloud that it hasn’t been a priority.
The biggest applause at the in-person event was, no lie, for the larger cloud storage plans.
This is why companies like Apple are malicious.
Or because the base iPhone 15 uses last year’s Pro chip which didn’t have a USB3 controller.
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And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has
Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller
I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening
Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable.
There is no A16 iPad (yet?).
A Raspberry Pi from years ago has USB 3.1. Restricting the latest iPhone is just laughable.
Apple’s base model hardware usually uses last year’s pro chipsets. They’ve been doing this for a bit now.
If the trend continues, next year the base model will get all the newer CPUs, micro controllers, etc.
If the aim of a company is to maximize profits then every company in Apple’s stead would do the same thing. Not defending it but that’s the world we created.
It does feel kind of spiteful. But honestly, it is surprisingly difficult to find USB 3 USB-C cables anyway. Most of them are USB 2 unless you spring for Thunderbolt cables.
No they’re not? At least when I check amazon or any other online retailer, USB-C cables are almost always USB 3.0 or higher. Only the ultra cheap ones are not.
We’re talking USB-C to USB-C right?
Do you have links for some of the ones you looked at? Because I checked a few Anker and Apple cables and they were all USB 2.0.
It does seem to be easier to get USB 3 Type A to type C cables, but not C to C.
I was skeptical but then I went to the Google store and looked at their USB-C cables and they are also USB 2.0 speeds.
There’s nothing more spiteful than not buying either of them
Really apple? And they did all that mother nature bullshit with octavia spencer while it was europe who forced them to use a universal connector and stop polluting the world with useless pathetic cables
The only people who need the USB 3 transfer speeds are going to be Pro users. For everyone else, it doesn’t matter.
Are they really this spiteful? Wow
Apple gonna Apple.
I love how these articles happen and are posted and everyone flames at apple.
This isn’t that different than the Galaxy note 20 not having ultra wide band but the Ultra version does.
All companies do this, otherwise why have different tiers or different models.
Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled they are finally using USB-C. I enjoyed the lightning when if first came out. The only cord at the time you could plug in and there was no up or down, it just want in no matter what orientation. Apple just wanted to charge everyone to use it and they screwed up with that. Now there is a full standard for every device, this is good.
Apple fan boys and Android fan boys need to chill out. It’s just a phone, not an allegiance.
I didn’t know what ultra wide band was because i never heard of it and…wow! Are you seriously comparing a very high tech stuff that only started to being added to high-end smartphones since 2019 (i still don’t know what it’s for) to apple forcefully crippling the speed of usb to what it was more than 10 years ago ? That’s whack ! I can’t even start to understand your thoughts process. Other famous company did something that can be considered similar if you tilt your head hard enough ( to stop blood from flowing to the brain that is ) so you see ? the company i love isn’t fucking me sideways like y’all are saying. WTF !??
It seems to be that you are misunderstanding the entire tech concept. There is no “downgrading” the A16 chip from last year’s pro model is the USB controller. They simply aren’t upgrading that chip. It seems that you didn’t read the article and thus didn’t know the processors for the phone are what are controlling the USB. There is no “forcefully crippling the speed of usb” its a simple matter of taking last years top tier chip and putting it in the Second tier phone this year. This is how tech works. You don’t redesign all your products, you redesign the top tier and then move those advancements down the chain next year.
The comparison was not about a cable vs wifi. It was about the chip on the device as that is the crux of the situation and the pointed out almost at the top of the article.
No need to be rude or insulting with the blood flowing to the brain comment. Again this seems to be fan boy attitude to shit on “the other side” and be insulting to win the argument. I have no stake in this other than pointing out that people are freaking out and getting upset because they didn’t redesign the phone and architecture for $X to increase the speed of something almost no IOS user even uses.
An honest question, do you actually use your cord the transfer data from your phone or tablet? Personally I never use the cord on my Galaxy Tab, It easier to use Wi-Fi and a shared folder on my NAS.
the A16 chip from last year’s pro model is the USB controller. They simply aren’t upgrading that chip.
Glad to know the chip from thei last year flagship phone can only handle a tech that’s more than 10 years olders. Truly a marvel of technology.
No need to be rude or insulting with the blood flowing to the brain comment.
Sorry, went overboard there. I had a shitty day and i had discussion with a friend that defended apple like his life depended on it and just dropped the “you just can’t afford it argument”. That plus, my hate toward apple for being the origin of every shitty decision on the phone market like no replaceable battery ,no earphones with the phone, forcing Bluetooth earphones…etc
An honest question, do you actually use your cord the transfer data from your phone or tablet? Personally I never use the cord on my Galaxy Tab, It easier to use Wi-Fi and a shared folder on my NAS.
Absolutely. Everyone i know does.
Ahh. Totally understand that kind of day man. Truly I do and what an ASS for making that kind of comment. That can not be defended in any way. Sorry that kind of crap got dumped on you today.
Yeah the lightning cable only having USB2 speeds sucked since it was never upgraded.
I completely agree with your assessment of the “innovations”. I remember the conference they got ride of the 3.5 mm headphone Jack and they said “the courage” to do something bold. Bwahahaha. It just means everyone needed to buy an adapter for the accessories.
In terms of using the cord I guess I am the minority then. Sorry for assuming the other way around.
Understandable.
In terms of using the cord I guess I am the minority
I think you’re probably in the majority, just maybe not people you run into on Lemmy.
I personally don’t have any family members who ever transfer data with a cable from their phone that I know of. Even at work, I would say only a minority do (although the age demographic is skewed older, so just understanding the phone itself is a big deal).
Also if you google number of people who use physical connectors to backup data, you get a flood of results asking if it’s even possible lol
I get the point you’re trying to make, and while it’s not a 1:1 correlation, some of the responses you’re getting indicate that non-Apple users can be just as fervent in their views as what would be called “fanboys”.
I would like to think there is some middle ground here, with Apple having to modify their production timelines to comply with EU mandates, but still keeping in line with past hardware releases. That is to say - yes it sucks that non-Pro models will not have all the latest features, but this is pretty much consistent with the past few production releases.
Exactly I can’t remember the last time I transferred anything to my phone via a cable. Just nice to have one cord for charging.
Good thing you represent everyone in this case then.
UWB is 2019 technology which has a very very limited use and even more limited range. USB 2.0 predates iPhones by 4 years and USB3.0 is at this point 15 years old. You’ve been sold polished turd at premium prices and everyone is now stuck with their mouths full defending the move when it reality it’s last years pro hardware shoved into this year’s “new” device with USB type C hacked in to avoid EU ban.
This has nothing to do with when people last transferred files from their devices or what you like or what you think everyone else will need. This is the case of Apple selling you wheelbarrow at the price of a car and people saying it goes fast downhill and they never wanted to go uphill anyway.
My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0
So, how do you sell this to a regular user? We’re probably getting new phones in this round and I want the Pro but still trying to sell that choice. My kid’s Mom has never used the data connector so how can I sell her on that as one of the features she wants?
Note on our weird situation but we have two teens and our pattern is to buy new, and give our 2-4 year old phones to the kids. For this to work, we really need to have identical phone models
I feel like not many people actually use the data port on their phones anymore, I know I haven’t used my android USB port for anything other than fast charging for I feel like 10 years. Do you even use the data connector on your phone?
I use it. I plug my phone into a dock and use it in desktop mode on occasion. I actually have an old phone running an FTP server with an external hard drive connected.
Guess you’ll have to change bubble colors.
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I know it sounds awful but on the other hand Linus explains why it’s like that in this video https://youtu.be/7KuLMe6KSVQ?si=DAdNH3JlZ4HShIYZ
Not trying to justify it, just it’s good to know why.
More clickbait bs. Oh right, Apple bad!
