• John_CalebBradberton@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    As I get older, the more I feel like Batman is billionaire propaganda. Like I get that it’s fiction. But they want us to root for the billionaire and that fucking annoys me.

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      6 months ago

      This is the subtext of the Nolan trilogy. Batman makes everything worse and literally everyone tells him that to his face, but he doesn’t listen due to belief in his own exceptionalism. The only good thing he ever does is at the end of the third movie he fucks off forever.

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      6 months ago

      My man, if every billionaire had the ethics and morals of batman we’d be a much better place.

      Not everything in life is a conspiracy theory. Him being a billionaire is a cool concept precisely because most billionaires are assholes. Not to mention it’s the only way he could afford all his gadgets.

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      It’s right-wing propaganda in general.

      Who’s the hero? One of the richest men in the city.

      Who are his allies? The cops.

      Who are the enemies?

      • An immigrant who wears a mask
      • A psychiatrist
      • A psychologist
      • A female environmentalist
      • A male environmentalist

      What happens when his enemies are defeated? They are sent to a mental hospital… a mental hospital that is falling apart and chronically underfunded. That leads to them escaping, giving Batman another excuse to go beat them up.

      If Mr. Wayne is a billionaire and very influential in city politics, the way they always portray him, shouldn’t he be advocating tax increases on the wealthy, and using that money to fix up the city… or at the very minimum to fix up Gotham Asylum?

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      I felt they were using the fact that Batman is an orphan, and being a billionaire is an excuse to explain how he can fund his… hobby?

      But I could see the billionaire propaganda aspect as well. I guess it depends on the author’s intent.

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        6 months ago

        Basically. Batman being broke without a regular job is the Punisher minus the guns.

        The wealth part does read differently in 2024 after 44 years of Reaganomics and screening for psychopathic tendencies when looking for CEO candidates.

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      Come to think of it, growing up I remember thinking of certain scenes, like he goes to temples to meditate, “to find himself” or “fight his demons” or whatever, or joining fight club-style events with randos, again “to find himself” or for the fun of it, who knows - and even then I was thinking “damn, I guess it’s good to have that much money to act like a clueless brat!”

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        6 months ago

        I do agree a lot of stories about “finding yourself” are like that (Eat Pray Love for instance). But to be fair in the Nolan movies he went out into the world with no money. Now, if he somehow formed another billion dollar company then it would have become full on capitalist propaganda, lol.

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          But did he have millions in his bank accounts or not? He had a damn butler and took a Russian ballet crew on a sailing trip!

          If he went into the world “with no money,” it was still his choice. At any point he could have said “you know what, fuck this, I’m coming back to my mansion.” Not everyone has that luxury.

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      Most superheroes are built on the idea that the world is unjust. The people who acquire power often do so through sheer chance rather than any merit of their own, but it’s still their responsibility to use that power ethically, even if society fundamentally isn’t built for people like them and they have to adopt a secret identity to have any chance of a normal life.

      Batman’s different. He was born with a great deal of wealth and power, sure, but then he took it upon himself to acquire even more power and put himself even higher above the people around him. He’s exactly who society is built for, but he wears a mask anyway to shield himself from accountability.

      Somehow, we’re supposed to think of him as a hero.

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    I never understood this… Poison ivy isn’t a misunderstood anti-hero, she’s a villain. She’s not a villain because she wants to save the world from pollution or climate change.

    She’s a villain because she’s a mass-murderer and terrorist.

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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      Poison ivy isn’t a misunderstood anti-hero, she’s a villain.

      Recent comics have changed her from outright villain to eco-friendly Punisher as far as I know.

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      6 months ago

      whaaaat? are you trying to say the villain can have bad intentions? you cant do that, thats illegal!

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    My reaction would be: No… hmm, that’s fair. No, just mind control him in secret to make him care about environment. That would be more effective. He is going to have resources to make things more eco friendly.