Most states rely on paper bureaucracy to ensure that the state can function and provide services. Paper bureaucracy has been part and parcel of how we maintain states and corporations since the Chinese invented the first paper bureaucracy systems of management 3000 years ago. But as you all probably know, bureaucracy kinda sucks. It costs a lot to maintain, and in the worst cases bureaucracy can turn a state into a labyrinthian monstrosity that can be near to impossible to navigate.

Estonia is a Baltic country that in recent years has been embarking on reform programs that are intended to change this. Estonia is a “Paperless state” meaning a state that has effectively removed all paper from it’s bureaucracy and replaced it with a digital state structure. In this short video I would like to introduce you to the digital state and argue for it.

  • Richard@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    As long as this digital infrastructure is developed by the administration itself, I find the idea of a digital bureaucracy great. But relying on proprietary products would undermine its purpose, imho.

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    6 months ago

    It scares me, honestly. The level of security for this to be viable is insane. Imagine some flaw or accident or attack that would erase me as a citizen. Scary thought.

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      6 months ago

      This is one place where blockchain is actually useful. No one entity is responsible for the integrity of the “ledger”. Of course it wouldn’t be publicly writable so not exactly like the blockchains you normally think of.

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        6 months ago

        I can’t see how the blockchain would be particularly useful here either. The security features of the blockchain come at the cost of extreme energy usage. Storing documents using simple public-private key cryptography is waaaay more than enough imo.

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          You don’t have to “mine blocks” to have a blockchain. It’s just a continual list of transactions that can’t be modified after the fact. So a hacker couldn’t wipe out your existence from the chain without controlling the majority of the participants (in a consensus algorithm). Not saying it’s an ideal use-case but highlighting that feature. There are many ways to avoid “data wipe” attacks.

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      I find it funny that people who think like that are from countries like the US and UK where you can live without an ID/passport your whole life. Identity theft in such countries is very common, while it’s pretty much impossible in Estonia. You should be afraid of living without a digital state and a passport in your pocket.

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      It wouldn’t really affect u even if ur id got deleted. Let me explain. Ur id is nothing but information correct (your name, address, etc.). The same goes with contracts. What makes ur id special is that the government has verified it to be legit.

      A very simple way of doing this is by making the government cryptographically sign ur id/contact. I would really recommend getting a functional understanding of how public-private key cryptography works. Basically, the government just has to put up its public key online. If u have ur id, u can verify if the document is issued by the government using their public key.

      As long as the public key stays there, and u don’t lose ur id and contracts they won’t technically be lost.

      Also, if the public key suddenly changes/disappears without being notice, everyone would know that something’s up. It’s like ur government building’s staff was suddenly replaced.

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        I would really recommend getting a functional understanding of how public-private key cryptography works.

        I have an intermediate understanding of how it works. 👍

        and u don’t lose ur id and contracts

        Ah, yeah… Therein might lie an issue. 😅

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          6 months ago

          Ah, yeah… Therein might lie an issue. 😅

          But that’s an issue with papered systems as well, no?

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            6 months ago

            I guess it is, but I’m assuming the government has a better system of keeping track of my papers than I would have of keeping track of my digital keys/identities. What if there’s a fire and I lose my key pair without a backup? I’m screwed.

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              6 months ago

              The government would have a copy as well! It’s just that it’s very hard for an entire government’s data and your data to get wiped at the same time.

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                The government would have a copy of my public and private key?

                Hmm, alright, I guess. It goes against my gut regarding key pairs but in this instance I guess it would be necessary. 😅

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                  Nooo ur documents. Not ur private key lol (it wouldn’t exactly be private now, would it). Let’s say u lose ur private key. U would have to manually do shit like u do when u lose ur passport.

                  What I’m saying is, ur identity being deleted only if the government AND u lose all ur data on all devices at the same time. Which is incredibly unlikely.

                  It’s like saying, “I don’t trust a papered system because the state buildings and my house could burn at the same time with my documents in them”

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    6 months ago

    One thing I commonly hear as an argument against electronic voting is security and ease of vote tampering. Is Estonia solving this issue and, if so, how?

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    Turkey has been doing it for more than a decade. It is very convenient, but now you can find tons of info about every citizen on the web because of leaks.

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      6 months ago

      Then it’s a badly implemented system. A good system won’t be able to have such leaks.

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    6 months ago

    Except we won’t. Too many of the religious fanatics think chips are the mark of the beast and 666 and all that bullshit.

    And they control half the political power in the country.