Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.

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    7 months ago

    “Hey! Stop that! Be genocided in peace! How dare you fight back!”

    Look, if we’re gonna agree that Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades and abusing them for decades, at a certain point you need to admit that Hamas isn’t 100% at fault. Just like how the USs actions in the Middle East increased extremism and terrorism, so has Israel’s. You can’t keep murdering mothers and fathers and expect the children to grow up thinking that “peace as dictated by your oppressors” is the solution.

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      Nobody is ever 100% at fault, life doesn’t work that way. People are interconnected with each other in ways we can never fully disentangle.

      The question is how best to move forwards towards peace. And that, is not helped by continuation of violent conflict. 8 rockets towards the Israeli seat of govt isn’t “fighting back”, not vs their air defence. It’s “not enough people have died yet”.

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        7 months ago

        How many rockets has Israel launched? Defending yourself with 8 rockets vs hundreds? Get real

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          Thank god israel is throwing 2000 pound guided bombs on refugee camps instead of blindly guestimating a few rockets with calculated trajectories pointed towards military bases…

          70% of all homes in Gaza just destroyed themselves right

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          I think that was their point. 8 rockets has zero chance of aiding Hamas’s war effort so launching them only helps Netanyahu’s argument that they need to continue their war effort. Sending the rockets from Rafah makes it even worse when the world is saying that Israel should stop attacking Rafah.

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      I don’t think either of you are wrong. What you are both seeing is a feedback loop. You decide which you want to put first here, but for simplicity’s sake, Israel attacks a threat, which kills people’s innocent loved ones. This creates more people who become a threat by attacking Israel, which results in Israel attacking that threat, and the cycle continues indefinitely.

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        Hamas has long advocated for a ceasefire and is still offering one to this day.

        The “circle of violence” is 100% israel.

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      Yes, the oppressed are eager to hurt people any way they can, and nobody can expect it to be any other way.

      But still, launching long range missiles isn’t an impulse action. There are so many actors domestic and internationally to do production, procurement, installation, logistics, assembly, that we can assume someone high up has made a strategic decision based on expected outcome.

      And the expected outcome is extremely obvious: a) zero tactical gains, and b) more excuses to ignore international pressure and hit Rafah even more brutally.

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        Or you do nothing and get completely walked all over.

        Because what’s your solution? Words aren’t doing shit.

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            The PA tried peace and the West Bank is being ethnically cleansed more every day.

            The problem here isn’t Hamas. It’s israel.

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              I upvoted you, because your point about the occupied West Bank is valid, but let’s be clear: Hamas is very much a problem. They haven’t held real elections in Gaza for close to 2 decades and have been in severe violent internal conflict with their Palestinian opposition.

              Israel being genocidal maniacs doesn’t mean everyone shooting rockets at them is automatically a good guy.

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                The “Palestinian opposition” here being the PA, a tool of israel that does nothing but serve israel. The official organisation of Uncle Tom. And as I just stated, they are giving away the entire West Bank to israel and helping israel arrest Hamas members trying to resist.

                Guess who hasn’t held elections either? The PA.

                Hamas is certainly not the “goodest of guys”. If you want perfect victims look elsewhere. But their violent resistance is only as a means to reach peace. Hamas has already offered a ceasefire and is prepared to agree to a 2state solution. Only israel does not want peace

                So no, Hamas is not the problem. Israel is the problem.

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                  Ok, after some more reading about the government of Palestine, this is not a completely unreasonable position. Thanks for pointing out the lack of elections in the occupied West Bank too.