Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.

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    You’re living in fantasy land. Israel is wiping Palestinians off the planet, actions > words. Israel is guilty of Hamas and Israels actions according to your own logic.

    There is absolutely equivalence, both are besieged and their actions are understandable at the state level. Fight back to your oppressors.

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      So you think what hamas did on Oct 7th was to “Fight back to your oppressors”? You’re the one living in fantasy land.

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            You can’t just call everyone who disagrees with you a “Zionist”. We can read comments and your responses to them. That’s exactly what extremists, like Zionists, do.

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                Dude, lemmy doesn’t have enough users to justify targeted hasbara activity or any other PR firm, that’s part of the magic of the fediverse, at least for now.

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          In all discussions I’ve had about this, the root of the whole issue that fractures discourse is: should Israel disappear or not?

          I think not (even if the original partition plan was too utopic and inviting a disaster), so the best Palestinians will ever get is what was in the original partition agreement, which you just have to accept peacefully, not with war, war declarations make palestine lose ground e.g. 1967 borders. I’m sure if a Palestinian government (not fucking hamas) recognized Israel, they’d get their state tomorrow, but this was never accepted, sooo…

          if instead ou think Israel should disappear or turn into an ungovernable fractured state like Lebanon, like hamas wants, then…“fight back to your oppressors” and you’ll have endless war.

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            Whether it should or not, I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear and the question now is whether or not Palestinians get to, at the very least, have the West Bank and Gaza as an independent nation. I hope they get more than that, but Israel is not going to disappear. A two state solution is, I hope, something that will eventually be reached.

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              I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear

              No it should not.

              As long as the Palestinians not recognized israel, israel has no right to exist. If israel wants to gain that right it can do so by accepting a two state solution

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        The clock didn’t start on October 7th. Zionists have been massacring Palestinians since 1948. Palestinians have every right to fight their occupiers.

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          One act of violence does not justify another. That’s the whole reason there’s now a genocide. You’re just taking it back a step.

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            The reason there’s a genocide is because the Zionists want to exterminate Palestinians. It’s unfinished business. October 7th is just the latest excuse.

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              It sounds more like you’re making an excuse for October 7th. And if October 7th resulted in a genocide, I’d say that it was not justified in any way.

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                I don’t need to make an excuse. The Palestinians have been under a brutal colonial occupation for 76 years supported by the US.

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                  And that justifies October 7th how? How did it in any way improve the situation? How did Hamas think it would improve the situation for the average Palestinian?

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                    It’s all about the long game. Israel is increasingly being recognised as the ethno-supremacist apartheid state that it has spent decades gaslighting the world about. A new generation of US citizens are aware of the Zionist control of US government and are more pro Palestinian than ever. BDS is growing from strength to strength and gradually turning Israel into a rogue state.

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          Yea, because escalation always solves the problems of Palestinians.

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        Yes, it was. The goal was to get both civilians and military hostages and also ruin the abraham accord. I think what hamas did was terrible and wrong and a crime against humanity because they killed civilians but it doesn’t remove their status a resisting group. In fact resistances group killed innocent civilians like the mau mau but didn’t made britain the good guyd