Pretty sure this is the plot of Horizon: Zero Dawn
What a great game!
Even if there’s a working class revolution, things are still completely fucked.
The biggest issue isn’t who is in charge, it’s the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.
We couldn’t even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.
But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?
Yeah, right.
The biggest issue isn’t who is in charge, it’s the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.
I’m not so sure that this is an inherent problem with humanity so much as it is a symptom of our current political and economic systems and culture.
Take you pandemic/mask example for instance. Pretty much everyone was on board with masks, social distancing, etc, until a few weeks/months in when it got politicized. Conservative leaders saw they could rile up their base by take a stance against the science. And they took advantage of our cultural preference for individualism where we could instead have a more collectivist culture.
These systems and cultural norms aren’t inherent to humans. It’s inherent to our shitty half-democracy, capitalism, etc.
But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?
The oil lobby pays shit loads of money to propagandize the population in the exact same way the tobacco industry did it. Start dealing with that, and the workers won’t buy the bullshit propaganda anymore.
Cooperating across large groups is one of our defining characteristics, as a species.
We could get the population to wear masks, in very large part, because certain ultra wealthy interest groups didn’t want to close the economy down and make a little bit less money. So, they polluted the avaliable information. Post working class revolution, the idea would be for them to not have the power to do that.
We can’t use a problem caused by the system as an argument against changing the system.
We couldn’t even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.
Meanwhile China managed to for years
japan too
China’s handling of COVID-19 isn’t exactly perfect either.
Scmp
Show me a fox News link next lmao
You tell me the trusted source, and I’ll give you an article on China’s zero COVID woes. Here’s CNN, with details IMO much worse than the link I previously shared from a site you seem to have a beef with:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/china/china-covid-lockdown-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html
cnn
Show me a fox News link next lmao
You tell me the trusted source, and I’ll give you an article on China’s zero COVID woes.
Sure, find one connected to the communist party of Vietnam, Laos, or Cuba. China had issues with zero covid but the nonsense you’re sharing is sensationalist garbage.
Unfortunately most lefties are active online instead of local politics.
Seems to have worked pretty well for libertarians with Bitcoin. Maybe we need a wildcat strike app.
Do you mean ancaps? I have noticed americans use libertarian to mean ancaps before for some reason even though they are like the opposite ideologies.
Also the only thing bitcoin is associated with is scams so I wouldn’t say it has worked out for anyone other than scammers.
No on both counts.
Nah, not all life. Just the collapse of civilization as we know it.
Civilization as we know it probably has to collapse anyway if we wanna see the changes that would help everyone.
It unfortunately looks more like you’re right every day.
That but with C++
I predict a world where it’s too hot for most to work, air-conditioning becoming mandatory everywhere, a slowing of development in terms of properties being built. The search for automation as a response. Cooling suits being widely used. The majority of the world’s crops failing. Food stipends being delivered on specialised trucks to each home… Perhaps by a division of the military… People dying on mass in the third world and quietly in their rooms in the first. Rolling black outs become waves of death. Experts dying on the job trying to fix them. Skinny bodies fighting for life, or fighting each other for food. Death squads who think killing is the answer. A daily announcement of what percentage of the country is on fire… But we’ll probably mostly be dying of thirst by then. Maybe it won’t be so bad.
A daily announcement of what percentage of the
country is on firecountries are at war
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We’ll probably terra form Mars by then, so at least humanity and whatever animals we deem the cutest and tastiest would survive.
i dont think we could kill all life on earth even if we tried.
we can’t kill all life, we can end humanity though I expect
Every time climate discussion comes up and i point out that we can do things to decrease their own impact, i’m met with anger and relentless defense that they have no responsibility and it’s all corporations.
So I have little faith that any worker revolution will solve the problem.
Individual changes are negligible compared to corporations though. Also, changes that would benefit would be to improve public transit to reduce carbon emission, but that is something on the government level. This people are rightly pointing out that individual changes would account to like less than 1% of the emissions. A workers Revolution would change this because it would implement all the changes needed on corporations and public transit, among other.
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Lol removed my comment. This is the type of reddit mod behavior we all hate and shit on.
Lemmy is for picking your moderators, not having no moderators.
I neither said nor implied that I want no moderation. In fact, that sounds way worse than what happened here.
Second, whether that’s true about lemmy doesn’t preclude moderators from acting exactly like what everyone claimed to hate about reddit moderators, which is exactly what happened here. Mod didn’t like that I called out their claims, so they removed the post with the claim of “victim blaming” lol (which, of course, isn’t a violation of any rules).
Mod didn’t like that I called out their claims
So you’ve had this experience on reddit, and here… At which discussion forum have you had your best experience with moderators?
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People should be doing what they can, but that will only partially address maybe 8% of the problem hence why that conversation comes up.
So there is a little no waste shop by me. I’ve turned on numerous neighbors to it. They have grown quite well and are moving into a bigger space, and even have talked about opening a second store…and basically don’t do any advertising. It’s all word of mouth.
While I agree with you that the focus should be on corporations, ultimately the reason these corporations are producing stuff is because individuals are consuming it. If more consumers show a willingness and desire to buy low carbon shit, the more it will be catered to. I do believe this would have a leveraging affect.
I absolutely agree with the concept, it’s something I’ve argued in the past (although less in a loss of profit, than simply a loss of hard to enumerate "rights), I just never knew there was an established concept for it. So thanks for that.
But I don’t see how it applies here. Unless you’re agreeing with me and something like driving (one of the first examples given in the article) is an externality that should be addressed, and something that the individual often has some control over. But what it’s always met with, as it was here, “It’s really not my fault so I have no responsibility to change my behavior at all.”
In my personal experience, and I’m lucky to have this available to me a lot: our rules is that if it’s a 15 minute or less walk, we walk it. I bike to work most mornings when the weather is nice. These are things I could often just drive because “eh, what’s my contribution going to do?” But I try my best (certainly still a work in progress), because i understand my actions are an negative externality for much of the rest of the world.
This doesn’t preclude me from pushing for larger scale things too, but at least I also put my money where my mouth is.
Don’t let me discourage you from cycling, that does help!
BUT
Even homeless people are still polluting at higher than sustainable levels. If we internalized the cost of pollution (with pigouvian taxes or whatever), then your efforts would yield even better results. As you can see under “Possible solutions”, none of them involve placing responsibility on people around you individually - they’re all addressing the externality at a systemic level.
It’s not either/or; I can both work to decrease my personal impact and also push for systemic changes. It’s just a recognition that responsibility does fall on the individual as well. If one cares about this issue, they should make changes in their life to minimize their impact. I understand that we can’t solve it without a systemic change, because even from what I see all the time, right here, people who presumably care about the situation coming up with every excuse in the book to avoid assuming even a modicum of responsibility. Can’t imagine how long it would take to get the current deniers on board.
The reality is that any change that is going to be top down is going to be slow; it’s not coming for a while. Right now, you can make changes in your personal life. And even then, it’s not all or nothing. You can just keep grabbing the low hanging fruit over and over again to minimize your personal impact.
And on top of that, any change coming from top down is going to affect the individual: things will get more expensive and less convenient. So you might as well get a head start on it.
Do you have unlimited time and willpower?
Married with two kids, we both work full time, cook dinner almost every night, i have multiple hobbies, regularly exercise, and I usually go out once a week with buddies to get a drink.
It’s overwhelming if you treat it as all or nothing. I get that. I just started by grabbing the low hanging fruit, and when I realized that wasn’t all that hard, I just reached up and grabbed the next. And then the next.
What if you took all the time you spend suggesting that consumers unilaterally pollute less, and invested it towards suggesting systemic change instead?
Is the goal here social status, or to maximize your impact?
