• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    At this point, with such low price points producing comparable quality, Chinese EVs don’t need international subsidies to be able to expand their manufacturing.

    It’s still cheaper to buy imported Chinese EVs even with tariffs than to buy domestic EVs in most, if not all, countries.

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        9 months ago

        The Chinese government subsidizes their domestic car manufacturing industry to an insane degree. Regular capitalism can’t compete.

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          9 months ago

          What are you talking about?

          Capitalists love their subsidies. Just look at the semiconductor industry.

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      9 months ago

      To be fair, this is denying government subsidies, which is more of a free market than giving subsidies. This is especially true for Chinese companies, since they are by definition state-owned.

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        9 months ago

        This is US car companies using their paid off politicians to make the US pressure another country into not making a deal that would increase competition in that market to their detriment .That’s many layers of fuckery deeper.

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          9 months ago

          Everything you said is true, except you are missing the context that this is for-profit US car companies not wanting to compete against state-owned car manufacturers who get all of their money from China and can take huge losses in order to outsell for-profit, private entities.

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        9 months ago

        Except every other company gets subsidies, so this is specific and not “fait market”.

        The current fair market for EV manufacturers includes getting a buttload of incentives from governments.

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          9 months ago

          The key word there is “company.” Chinese car manufacturers are not companies, they are the state-owned entities.

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        9 months ago

        China does not do altruism. Their car manufacturers are owned and subsidized by the government. They’re made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.

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          9 months ago

          Weird that you are confusing such discrete, almost antithetical concepts as altruism and capitalism.

          Yes, Chinese auto companies are trying to corner part of the auto market like every other car company in every country does.

          And now they’re doing it with inexpensive EVs receiving top marks in safety and manufacture, according to the top global standards.

          So you can whine about all car companies trying to sell a product(seems like a waste of time) or provide actual evidence that the safety ratings for Chinese EVs are false in some way.

          Right now you’re spewing irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the EV industry.

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        9 months ago

        A totalitarian government that allows slave labor, genocide and wants to invade Taiwan. Really?

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            9 months ago

            You don’t get why we shouldn’t be trading with China And instead should ge enabling our own EV manufactures ?

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              9 months ago

              So you’re pretending I’m making arguments I’m not because my comment makes you uncomfortable?

              Have at it, I’m sure you’ll come out on top by arguing with yourself.

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                9 months ago

                Your comments don’t make me uncomfortable. You just don’t seem to grasp why trading with China is bad.

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                  9 months ago

                  You have no basis for that accusation, you’re playing make-believe.

                  It’s obviously difficult for you to engage in an honest discussion, though, so I can see why you make things up.