Microsoft has no choice.
Arm has been dominating the biggest growing market mobile (everything from phones to tablets and now). Intel is fighting a three front war now. While one battlefront is the mobile market where ARM essentially is the only choice, another battlefront is dominated by Nvidia with the processors for graphics and ML/AI. If that wasn’t bad enough, AMD is attacking hard on Intel’s home arena: PC CPUs.
When Apple dropped Intel for M1 they showed that Arm wasn’t just some niche processor technology for less powerful devices, such as mobile devices.
So not only is AMD taking market shares in the PC market, ARM is on the rise and doesn’t look very good for Intel right now.
Is Intel really capable of innovating their way out of their current path to extinction?
Longer term it’s going to be interesting to see what if anything RISC-V changes. Right now they’re filling a role that ARM occupied about 20 years ago being primarily an alternative for cheap and medium power devices, but just like ARM they’ve got the potential to duke it out in the desktop space with the right backing. It would for instance be an interesting move if Microsoft partnered with a company like HiFive to produce a truly high end RISC-V CPU similar to Apples M1/M2.
Producing a really high end CPU just be muscle flexing. Anybody can do that. Having apps run on it is a whole another story.
What Apple done right with M1 was not producing a powerful Arm CPU, but having old apps run on it so everyday people won’t be thrown into an unknown territory.
I’m too, looking forward to RISCV’s expansion though. MS could just skip ARM and adopt the better platform.
Producing a really high end CPU just be muscle flexing. Anybody can do that. Having apps run on it is a whole another story.
You say that, but nobody has actually done so. HiFive has produced some CPUs that would qualify as extremely low end desktop CPUs, but nothing that can compete with even middle of the road processors like an i5 or a Ryzen 5. As for apps, it would be pretty trivial to get a huge swath of Linux apps running on it, and if there was enough of a base and demand you’d see companies producing RISC-V binaries as well (much like they’re starting to for ARM). For emulation layers I’m sure something could be done, QEMU if nothing else could probably be used.
Intel is fine. The fact that they are somewhat competetive on their dinosaur fabrication node is crazy by itsself.
Intel is not fine on servers - ARM servers are about 20% faster for outright performance and 40% faster for performance-per-dollar. Since it’s literally just selecting a different option in a dropdown menu (assuming your software runs well on ARM, which it probably does these days), why would anyone choose Intel on a server?
And they’re not fine no a laptops either - unplugged my ARM Mac from the charger seven hours ago… and I’m at 80% charge right now. Try that with an Intel laptop with an i9 Processor and a discrete NVIDIA GPU (those two would be needed to have similar performance).
They’re only really doing well on desktop PCs, which is a small market, and people who can’t be bothered changing to a new architecture — a big market but one that is going away.
When you say 20% faster - per what metric? Is that per watt power consumption, per dollar cost?
If it’s per either of those, that’s pretty impressive, it’s a massive difference.
You are forgetting cloud computing - all my workloads have moved to Graviton or will do very shortly.
Shortly as in?
Next month
ARM is limited by licensing greed. RISC-V or its successors is the future.
I’m still waiting for ARM compatible drivers for the Dymo label printers we use. It’s been 4 years now.
Fuuuuuuuck Dymo.
Benchmarks or real applications?
Bridging the gap with Rosetta was a huge part of why Apple Silicon worked, and Windows is way more reliant on closed source legacy software than Mac is.
2024 and Windows still suck at rendering text, especially on OLED monitors with different pixel grid. And they think using a different processor would convince artists.
Lol…wut? Really? So few people bought Windows-RT that they think no one noticed.
Which run of the mill consumers who choose to buy a these understand what ARM even is?
For most consumers it doesn’t matter. What will is “Why does program X run so slow when program Y is fast?”. That can be solved with marketing, like calling the ARM version of Windows “Windows M 11” or something like that. Programs optimized for “Windows 11 M” will run faster and older windows 11 programs will run, but slower. Explaining that will be key to whether Arm windows will succeed.
Most users though use a small subset of programs. Like web browser, email, light office and some media consumption. Should work well enough for them.
We went through this with the whole “Windows 10 in S Mode”. The end result was a lot of pissed off consumers, both because of OS limitations and the fact the the HW specs of those devices were crap.
Well I dont so thats anecdotal but No
