What exactly are they arguing over? I probably shouldn’t ask, but I’ve been fortunate enough to not encounter any of this controversy on my social media
Probably whether or not the ship was loaded with jet fuel or something…
My favorite thing about the jet fuel argument is that it’s actually true. It’s irrelevant, but it’s true.
Wait! Are you saying those planes had jet fuel in the tanks?
To make matters worse, it was loaded with a bio-organic payload that is mostly hydrogen and oxygen, both of which are incredibly volatile.
A cargo ship lost power and couldn’t steer, ended up crashing into a bridge and took it down. Drivers were stopped from crossing in time, but there was a construction crew on the bridge who fell with it. Several reported dead.
Now Facebook warriors are arguing that it’s some sort of conspiracy.
I still don’t get the point of the OP.
Aren’t Conspiracy Theorists experts in theories of conspiracy?!
/s
My buddy brought the bridge up last week and I just said yeah the ship crashed into it, so what, what conspiracy theory is there?
And says oh no conspiracy theory… and then somehow started talking about racism.
So, I’m still clueless on the whole thing.
Idk, wasn’t it reported that it was Indians piloting the ship? Probably something to do with that
I think people are saying that the bridge shouldn’t have collapsed like that just from being hit by a barge and that there was some kind of structural defect in the bridge. The fact that investigators went straight to’ “maintenance was just done to the ship” is sus.
I wish I could have half the confidence these people have talking about the things I actually know about.
Confidence and Knowledge are anti-correlated… so please, be proud of the extent of your ignorance:-).
this isn’t necessarily true. people who have more knowledge or reasoning generally have higher confidence in their abilities than those with less, although people with less knowledge tend to have a higher disparity between their confidence and their actual performance. people with more knowledge still think they know more than the people with less knowledge, even though despite the higher confidence they still underestimated themselves.
To be more clear, I was incompletely referencing only the left side of this curve:
since it seemed closer to what the person I was responding to was speaking about. Ofc you are correct that the right side of the curve also exists, though the amount of effort to reach it seems extremely out of proportion to the level of confidence gained - i.e. it is far easier to just be dumb and think that (or rather, act as if) you know everything, than to make yourself smart and actually know everything, about a particular topic.
It’s hard because… you don’t want to dismiss legitimate concerns from uneducated populations. But then there’s a flip side to that where… do you have to hear them out if they’re too far wrong. Maybe it’s less about education and more about someone’s self awareness of the limitations of their own knowledge and willingness to defer to experts. I don’t think you have to be educated to be self aware and curious, and also express things and be heard.
someone’s self awareness of the limitations of their own knowledge and willingness to defer to experts.
This is a cornerstone of ethics in engineering and many other discipline that I feel is being shouted down daily by a crowd that clearly never took a philosophy or ethics class. Even among engineers it seems to be an increasingly unpopular attitude. It seems to have become popular to praise the braggart and shun the ethical self aware.
In my ethics in engineering class, we spent a lot of time talking about things like the Kansas City Hyatt Regency walkway collapsing. The takeaway for me was “Depending on what you are doing, people might die if you are too confidently doing things the wrong way.”
Most people, even a lot of engineers, don’t have lives on the line in their day to day. Things means that most people don’t have the “What if I am wrong about this and people die?” part of their brain firing 24/7. For most people, the “consequences of getting things wrong” means either a lecture from their boss, or literally nothing. When people never have to face consequences for being wrong, they feel very empowered to be wrong.
People are commenting on a comment about people arguing with insane people about a tragedy. This is tiring.
And ya needed to engage because…?
Lighten up and live a little fam. We all just here having some fun :) Join us in the merrymaking.
I downvoted the post thought I should explain why. I’m trying but the internet mostly just seems depressing.
the b8 worked, ha
Yes it did you caught a manatee in your haddock net :)
Bridge engineer is a very specific kind of structural engineer and nobody who is licensed to be a bridge engineer is going to risk their license tothrow in their .02
