Since a lot of folks sort by “all” on Lemmy, popular posts get overwhelmed by people who don’t daily drive operating systems like iOS or MacOS.
I like outside perspectives and all, but when the majority of the “community” discussion is coming from people who aren’t even using these products, it is pretty hard to have informed conversations.
Moreover, I feel like this type of engagement creates a lot of threads that get pretty combative and catty. They’re often started by people who are trying to argue and convince iOS / MacOS users that they’ve picked the wrong side of the fence.
Anyone else feel me on this? I imagine this is a problem for other communities on Lemmy as well.
Anyone else feel me on this? I imagine this is a problem for other communities on Lemmy as well.
nah mate. Would describe me as an enthusiast but still think that Apple shits the bed pretty often, is charging way too much and could do a lot better in hardware and software.
So as already mentioned, Apple’s biggest enthusiasts are also its biggest critics.
But people like you aren’t the ones making the “Android had this years ago” posts. Those are the problem. Nothing wrong with real criticism, keep it coming, but I am tired of that same comment without any substance.
but I am tired of that same comment without any substance.
block or ignore them or make the mods aware of low quality posts, maybe we need some adjustments in the rules. I personally am not bothered by them but everybody is different…
You are right, but instead of blocking like half the user base I just unsubbed. I hope the mods will look in to this, it seems like a lot of people are bothered with this. Let the trolls and fanboys have this sub, there are better ways to follow tech news.
ok 👋
You guys have my sympathy. I’m a pretty strong critic of Apple and their products but I’d never go out of my way to interfere with communities of Apple users. That’s just kinda pathetic.
Unfortunately, I don’t see that there’s much you can do about this apart from strictly moderate the comments section and just try to ignore the up/downvote discrepancies.
Yeah, I think the real solution would be to require a subscription, or a subscription for at least n amount of days before you can comment. Reddit used to have options for that.
Anyone can still join in, but it cuts down on the noise from c/all.
Unfortunately, Lemmy’s community and mod tools are truly terrible.
Yea, with the lack of mod tools here you don’t have that many options really.
IMHO, the big unseen problem with Lemmy is the lack of mod tools. Communities don’t have the basics to self govern. Reports don’t get seen and communities almost become a glorified topic hashtag, because everyone is always coming in from all, not subscriptions.
Anyone else feel me on this? I imagine this is a problem for other communities on Lemmy as well.
Ok, I’ll bite … as always, it’s a problem with too little content on Lemmy. Certain other social media platforms have so much content that you have to stay in your lane if you’re going to follow it all. However Lemmy is still too small for many specialized communities. Of course many of us will just browse all. The answer, as always, is continued growth.
Circling back to the Community’s purpose, I dislike the frequent logouts in Lemmy. I don’t know if there’s something about browsing from iPad on Safari, but sometimes it’s just too annoying to keep logging in again, so I’m stuck browsing all until something warrants a reply.
I vaguely remember a privacy thing that IOS would periodically modify its appearance online to reduce tracking: could we be running afoul of that? Granted, it’s a pretty vague memory that I’m clutching at
Lemmy is full of Linux and Windows users that are very anti-Apple. While I can appreciate constructive criticism from Apple users, I find it pretty annoying when these other folks drop in on threads and just spew nonsense.
Yeah, I’ve run into this before as well. I had a post I made in the standard notes community about a sale get down voted…
I made another post asking what happened and that’s how I found out it was down voted by a bunch of people that weren’t even part of the community because “it looked like an ad on their feed.”
I also had some user error on my part when I added the Zed RSS feed to Auto Post Bot without taking enough precautions to make sure it wasn’t going to post ancient stuff… Got some pretty heavy down votes presumably because it took about a page and a half of the “all” feed. I cleaned things up within 15 minutes, but it was definitely like “man, can I just not deal with people that aren’t even community members?”
Don’t get me wrong their frustration was valid, I screwed up, but also… I just don’t understand browsing all.
It’s annoying sometimes, but it’s also pretty easy to recognize and ignore. Usually some variation of “you can’t even XYZ in OSX and that’s been a feature of whatever-I-use forever.”
Vague? Check. Outdated Nomenclature? Check. Circlejerk Popular Opinion on Lemmy? Oh that’s a big check.
I’m getting good enough at it now that I usually don’t even need to read half the comment before knowing it’s going to be worthless, downvote it, and move on.
Here’s hoping for better mod tools and a more diverse set of users as time passes. I’d love to get back to arguing that making all the ports on the MacBook Pro Thunderbolt ports was a way better idea than kowtowing to photographers who can’t be arsed to update their habits is (spoiler, I lose and get downvoted but still think I’m right), but I can wait.
Anyone else feel me on this? I imagine this is a problem for other communities on Lemmy as well.
Yes. 100%. It’s always combative, condescending, and rarely, if ever, from actual enthusiasts. Just the other day, someone started a comment with “I have never liked Apple after the bullshit it pulled with iTunes” talking about the iPhone and suggesting that he was a counter-example to people switching to iPhone from Android. He’s openly admitting that he has a bias against Apple that existed before the iPhone was even released and yet, for some reason, felt the need to participate in an “Apple enthusiast” discussion.
Apple obviously doesn’t do everything right but the amount of engagement here from people who don’t use Apple products is far too high for an enthusiast community. It would be like someone going into a community for motorcycle enthusiasts and constantly talking about how cars are better and safer.
That is such a weird behaviour, and I see it in a lot of places. Especially in gameing where you have people go " I haven’t touched this game serie sense the second game in the 90’s, but this new thing in the latest game sucks. Just like the entire series has doen sense the third game was released " and this is even in a community for the LATEST game not the entire series.
It is so common to see and it is so weird.
I feel like you’re describing something that I regularly see as a fan of some of the Assassin’s Creed games. I’m a patient gamer and am just now getting to the newer ones having finished Black Flag recently. For every game so far, I’ve seen what you’re describing.
Overall i think it increases engagement which in turn keeps people motivated to continue to post here. As long as I can keep getting timely news and advice, I’m all for it. I don’t use apple products because I want validation from fediversers; I use them because they are the best devices for my use cases.
Other people are free to disagree. It doesn’t cost me anything to just keep scrolling if I see Apple “hate mail”.
I own a ton of Apple products and I’m rooting for the DOJ
Absolutely. I’ve come to realize that you just can’t have a positively minded, widely federated community on Lemmy about something the majority of active users across the system feel negatively about. It’s a shame, but I might just end up filtering the community and waiting for better times.
The problem is probably more that there’s so little content on Lemmy right now. That means most people are browsing /all, so you get more people that aren’t part of this community, and therefore more dissidents.
The c/Apple threads get seen by more people that aren’t necessarily interested in seeing it because they don’t get lost in the noise like they would on Reddit.
They’re like republicans. They feel threatened and have to lash out. I feel for them.
This comment, in true republican fashion, blames the opposition for what they are guilty of…
How precious. 🤣
