China has upset many countries in the Asia-Pacific region with its release of a new official map that lays claim to most of the South China Sea, as well as to contested parts of India and Russia, and official objections continue to mount. What is the map, and why is it upsetting people so much?
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It seems significant, then, that Beijing chose to release the map on the heels of a late August meeting of the BRICS nations — Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – and just before China is to participate in top-level meetings of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the Group of 20 rich and developing nations.
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In releasing the map now, Beijing is widely seen as signaling it has no intention of backing down on any of its claims and is making sure that its positions are fresh in the minds of other countries in the region.
In the far northeastern corner of China on the border with Russia, it shows Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island, an island at the confluence of the Amur and Ussuri rivers, as Chinese territory, even though the countries signed an agreement nearly 20 years ago to split the island.
Actually pretty funny given that Russia can’t do shit about it. That said, I expect the US will continue to sail through international waters and dare China to find out.
They’re just doing what America has been doing since WW2. Why should America be the only power in the world?
Yes. This could be considered a whataboutism. But that’s not always a bad thing. See here. Context matters. This article puts China in a negative light. I’m not defending China’s actions. I think it is inflammatory. But I also felt obligated to relay the hypocrisy of America.
It might even be that the whataboutism serves a function in forcing the speakers to both recognize a common, underlying factor to both sides of the argument.
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The Independent published the article. They are based in the UK. It is in their interest as part of the capitalist hegemony, led by America to make China look bad (the enemy). I just pushed back against that narrative. It was not my intention to highjack the discussion. Also, I was the first to comment, so there was nothing to highjack at the time.
China is making China look bad.
Then, how do you know about it?
Here’s China’s new map of their claimed territory from China’s own website.. For comparison, here’s one provided by Wikipedia with the Dark Green is claimed and controlled. The light green is claimed, but not controlled. The wiki map seems to be out of date anyway. It doesn’t included the claimed, but not controlled specs out to sea.
This is also being talked about in all the news outlets of China’s neighbors. The Independent was not the first place I saw this news. China is making China look bad.
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They don’t pay us money silly. We get a bonus ration on our food card. Dependent on what the commissar deems acceptable, and what resources are available. Usually rice or bread, but never eggs. I miss eggs.
Does the US actively commit genocide? Do they keep one particular part of their population in work and concentration camps?
Do they suppress every opinion you have? Do they arrest you for those opinions?
Get the fuck out of here with your whataboutism. Living under China, if you are not chinese is a death sentence, you might just live in nazi germany as a non german. I’d much rather be under the US.
Does the US actively commit genocide?
I meaaaannnn
Elaborate.
You lived in China? Tell us about your experience.
I’ve seen enough perspectives of people who did live in China and seen enough people (even some of my friends) disappear to make a judgement.
If you want to such Xi cock so hard, please shut the fuck up and move there, tankie scum
Forgive me if I don’t trust your anecdotal evidence. You’ve had friends disappear? Insult’s won’t help me to see your perspective. I am not, nor will I ever be, a tankie. I choose not to have a narrow minded view of the world.
If you are not a tankie, how can you possibly defend China? If you do, you are a tankie, or you are fucking stupid.
If my “anecdotal evidence” supports the reality, does it matter that it’s anecdotal? There is so much fucking evidence of their evil actions yet you blindly follow their propaganda.
And you talk about a narrow view of the world. Wake the fuck up, for your own sake
It’s a map. Not the Boxer Rebellion. Criticizing America is not defending China. I don’t defend China or their propaganda. Your mad about a map article posted on the internet. Take a break.
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For the record, I’m Taiwanese and American and think it’s cool you’re learning Mandarin and have an appreciation for Chinese people! I similarly disapprove of the CCP for obvious reasons.
However, your statement about the US is complete whitewashing – and I don’t blame you; it’s what we were falsely taught to believe. The US has a notorious legacy of destabilizing foreign governments to suit its own agenda (sometimes then installing sockpuppet US-friendly leaders or just leaving the country in chaos). And then this is all done in the very nicely PR-rebranded effort of “democracy” while US imperialism is well-known and well-documented throughout its history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
And it’s not just history; it’s still ongoing. Look at the sockpuppet US-backed South Korean government and public utilities, or the ongoing US-facilitated destruction of the Middle East that started decades ago. Or its weird Zionist segment that continues to blindly support Israel despite Israel committing apartheid against Palestinians, following the US playbook.
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Have you lived in China? I like Mexico and Mexican people, but I have never lived in Mexico. So I really shouldn’t make judgements about their government without knowing that it is true.
Care to provide any examples?
_gestures at the world _ source Another one
Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see any territories that have been incorporated into the US since WWII. The military interventions and soft power stuff hasn’t added any territory.
If you’re okay with military interventions and soft power; surely you’re okay, or at least ambivalent, with China doing the same thing.
It depends entirely on the reason. I am not universally opposed to military intervention. But I think the US has wrongfully intervened before as well. It all depends on whether it’s a just war.
It’s in China’s self-interest to expand their financial hegemony and weaken America’s. To them, it is just. American Exceptionalism is a myth. We are no better than any other country, and the readers here need to be reminded.
This guy is definitely a troll, he shows up on a lot of posts to try and deflect any criticism back to America. Im guessing if you check his profile you’ll see what I mean but his name has stood out a couple times now on other threads.
Self interest is not absolutely just. Morality isn’t defined by what the local government says.
For example, the US in Cuba was unjust though it was in their best interest.
we should let several countries do bad things, and shouldn’t hope to fix or deter one, only all of them at once or none
uh?
