In California, a high school teacher complains that students watch Netflix on their phones during class. In Maryland, a chemistry teacher says students use gambling apps to place bets during the school day.
Around the country, educators say students routinely send Snapchat messages in class, listen to music and shop online, among countless other examples of how smartphones distract from teaching and learning.
The hold that phones have on adolescents in America today is well-documented, but teachers say parents are often not aware to what extent students use them inside the classroom. And increasingly, educators and experts are speaking with one voice on the question of how to handle it: Ban phones during classes.
Why were tamagotchis and gameboys and cellphones banned in class when I was growing up but not these days?
My school banned cd and mp3 players even. Was annoying because my bus ride to school was a little over an hour.
This is a result of the US teaching for arbitrary ass tests, pushing bullshit curriculums, and using 40 hour school weeks + homework as a prepping ground for their shitty 9-5 future job, while underpaying + under supporting teachers. This isn’t a “moody kids with phone” problem. Are phones an issue in classrooms everywhere? Yes. Could kids use less screentime? Yes. Is the US schooling system a well studied topic of how not to construct teaching curriculums for children? Also yes.
I don’t have kids, and when I was in school no one had phones, so I’m way out of the loop, but there were various electronic devices that could be a distraction. Portable music players, handheld games, even a graphing calculator in a non-math or science class, any one of these would have been confiscated if used during class.
I can not think of a single reason a student should have access to a phone during class that can’t be solved another way.
We used to sneak Tiger electronic handheld games into class. Just put it in your lap and pretend you were reading the textbook.
I mean yeah, we got caught sometimes. But not often enough to stop doing it.
What I actually like about phones in classrooms is a transparency. Every fuck up like teacher being rude or kids picking fights with each other would be recorded from a couple of angles. 20-30 teens collected together in a small room and feel bored is a recipe for something to happen, especially when teacher is that bad at getting their attention. That’s a highlighted reason why the same law was introduced in my country - to defend teachers from responsibility while they are to indocrinate youth with things even kids don’t find believable and use force if necessary.
If you are into surveillance wouldn’t it be easier to just install cameras everywhere and record everything? Then phone can stay away and locked.
To be clear, I’m not advocating for this, it sounds like a 1984 nightmare. It’s just that you don’t need kids with phones to enact surveillance
It matters who have that survelliance capability. With phones all parties are equal to report problems, with cameras - it’s school, and it’s not that hard to imagine them losing data when they themselves are at risk of a lawsuit. Besides, mass surveiliance via cameras would rightfully meet a pushback (and it’s an overkill) while phones are already here and already fixated tons of problems.
Totally agree camera it’s an overkill and they rightly meet a push back, I’d be one of those. It’s just that we are trying to fix something that in dont see as a problem, with something that doesn’t make any sense. Phones haven’t been in a classroom for long. If the main reason you think they should remain is because they have a camera and they might catch something, it looks like a pretty weak one to me given all the downsides - kids at school are not schooling l.
It was one of the reasons why banning phones is stupid. Besides obvious, like a way to contact a child when it’s not at home, or using it to find information, access cloud documents, editing them.
Phones aren’t a problem. Bad parenting and bad teaching are.
If you are into surveillance wouldn’t it be easier to just install cameras everywhere and record everything? Then phone can stay away and locked.
Never works in kids’ favor. Catch teacher lying or yelling? Never.
If you wondering that country is Russia.
As someone with severe ADHD, if I don’t have something to listen to(through headphones obviously) or to mess with in my hands, I can pay attention to about 3 words before I am completely distracted with how the ceiling tiling looks. I get that a lot of students simply don’t pay attention as a result of their phone, but for some of us, it’s the only reason we can pay attention.
Not to mention, ebooks are a thing, and when you’re pirating them you don’t have to worry about overdue fees or your book getting stolen/damaged.
Final point, a lot of my teachers were dogshit, so learning from Wikipedia and other sources was vastly more entertaining and informative than listening to them try to explain addition to that dumbass in the back for the 8th time when he can’t even read
While I agree students shouldn’t be distracted with their phones during class I don’t think enacting a law is the best remedy for the malady. This aught to be resolved by school district or even just a classroom policy.
When the school shootings 100% stop and the bullying dealt with sure I’m willing to revisit this but not a chance in hell am I sending my kid to school without a way to reach me.
I like the idea of the cell phone cubby. It’s there if an emergency arises, but out of reach otherwise. It’s a good solid middle ground.
And who is watching those cubbies? Better be locked that’s a lot of money just sitting around. Will you have time to unlock in an emergency though?
I mean, it’s right there in the room where everyone can see it. No reason they can’t have it between classes. Just hang it on the wall during class and face minor consequences for not putting it up and getting caught with it. It’s not a big deal
I’m in my 30s and back in college and the amount of little shit heels on Tik Tok during the professor’s lecture is too damn high! (Had to)
Makes me want to walk around class and slap the phones out of their hands, maybe slap them too. Hella disrespectful to the the teach and distracting for students who actually want to be there.
I feel like college professors are often overwhelmed by the the amount of it, and really just aren’t disciplinarians like K-12 teachers are.
In theory college processors are as much researchers as teachers, many moreso. That said if students want to waste the money they’re paying by distracting themselves from the learning, the grades will likely reflect that. If I was teaching at college level, I would take solace in that
A lot of these college courses are things that the rest of us depend on. Doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc.
I’d personally prefer that they’re removed from class for the sake of their future patients/clients.
They aren’t going to pass the class like that. Damn sure not at medical school. The students are only wasting their own time and money. Someone who makes straight C’s through med school still gets to be called Doctor at the end of it but these kids aren’t going to make even close to that grade if they’re not paying attention.
There are a lot of things to consider here. The world has changed.
Kids have legitimate reasons for having a cell phone today. It makes it infinitely easier to coordinate pickups, care of siblings, emergencies, job scheduling, etc. it shouldn’t be used during class, but ae a parent i have enough legit reasons i want my daughter to have her phone on her and as long as its not being used during class, then the school can fuck right off. Ill decide whats best for my child. If she uses it during class, give her detention or whatever. Or tell me and ill handle itat home.
Beyond that, i dont want a teacher confiscating a device that costs several hundred dollars. That would lead to teachers or admins mysteriously “losing” the phone, only for it to show up on eBay.
There have also heen numerous high profile incidents of the bad behavior of teachers, students, and security personnel. I kinda like the idea of kids being able to not only defend themselves but also provide evidence to authorities that would probably have not believed them otherwise.
Today, phones are a ubiquitous paret of everyone’s lives. Schools are better off trying to figure out how to integrate the technology into their lessons instead of a futile war against them.
I’m pretty sure the issue being discussed is the usage of phones during class time. Literally, it’s in the blurb. You didn’t even have to click on the article.
It never ceased to amaze me on reddit how people would have such strong opinions on an article that they obviously didn’t even read because they had basic facts incorrect.
But, man, Lemmy has made that look like childs play, considering the inclusion of the blurb, which is basically like a comment, and people will still upvote comments that get basic facts included in the blurb wrong.
It’s the same people
You would be surprised how much shit happens during class time.
Apple and google should add location based parental control, in addition to the time based. A checkbox ‘in a school’ would be easy. Let parents disable things they don’t need like Netflix while leaving them with their emergency communication device.
Not perfect, but it would help.
There is already time based controls with Google family.
On the other hand, this is how we know about teachers doing things they absolutely shouldn’t do.
I read books in class. I drew pictures in class. I just looked out the window and daydreamed. Kids aren’t going to pay attention just because you take away their phones.
EDIT: I’m honestly amazed people are against that. Are you not aware that this is why we have videos like this that expose racist teachers?
https://abc7.com/fontana-sequoia-middle-school-teacher-racial-slur/13092208/
I’m bored and could use the downvotes, so here are a bunch more examples of students filming teachers doing things that are unacceptable or just plain illegal in class because they have their phones:
https://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/student-films-teacher-whipping-students-belt/nmJzW/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/student-teacher-qanon-video-shouting-b1951071.html
https://www.yourtango.com/news/video-math-teacher-mimicking-native-american-culture
https://www.yourtango.com/news/california-teacher-robert-bean-threatening-slam-student-against-wall
Wow, that math one! They did the same thing in my kid’s math class! It was during Covid, so the teacher recorded it himself without a second thought! I couldn’t believe what I was seeing!
I hear what you’re saying about recording. But Im not sure phones in class are the answer.
I don’t know what other answer there is to stop teachers getting away with this shit. The racism and sexual harassment I saw on display when I was going to school in Indiana in the 80s and 90s was not a secret. But since it was always the teacher’s word against the kid’s, the teacher always got away with it. The only time I can think of that it didn’t happen was when a very devoted girl and her family in my high school spent a lot of time and money in court suing a teacher who sexually harassed her in middle school. He had his job the whole time (he was finally fired when he lost the case).
Security cameras in classes? They have them on busses.
