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I’d like to know more about the specifics involved. I’ve migrated my whole suite over to Proton and just want to know the specifics here. Guess I won’t know until Proton decides to frame their answer in a blogpost.
You don’t need that: Proton will only surrender accounts/information to local authorities with the appropriate paperwork - and that’s their selling point on privacy, swiss law being pretty protective of privacy ; in this case, a corpus of evidence has been submitted by a recognized foreign entity & considered valid for action in regard to swiss law.
That’s what makes proton secure for journalists, political opponents and such: no swiss judge will enable any random dictator to get a dissident’s info, it won’t fly with swiss law. And if that escalates to bogus criminal charges, it is still up to a swiss judge to decide how and if to proceed.
You put your trust in Switzerland here, not in a nerdy business with an atom-smashing background.
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I thought proton would fight before they’d comply?
They won’t and supposedly can’t turn over information from or about the account, but they’ll absolutely close the account for engaging in illegal activity since that is a breach of their terms of service (depending on activity, of course. Complaining about the government? Probably won’t get shut down. Hacking someone to steal something valuable? They’re shutting you down).
LoL! One would be insane to trust the Swiss after the Crypto AG business. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if 5/9/14 eyes alliance clandestinely own or even directly run Proton, LoL.
They way how you capitalise the L in “lol” really bothers me. Strange person.
Agreed, I read it as League of Legends
Everyone should ask themselves what is their actual threat model. That will tell you whether not this news truly affects you. Any criminal worth their salt probably wouldn’t roll with Proton or Tuta if they practice good OpSec
What’s wrong with both Tuta and Proton? I’m by no means involved in any crime or anything, but I degooglefied and moved to Tuta for mail. Was considering self hosting, but I’ve been procrastinating it.
Like TechLore once said: “No company is going to jail for you because of your 5 dollars.”
They said they would protect your privacy, not facilitate criminal activity.
If the whole reason you want privacy is to facilitate criminal activity, you’re going to have a bad time.
But it also raises the question: Doesn’t political dissent often get categorized as “criminal activity?”
I think the bigger question is if these services will stand up for obviously bogus charges when it comes to political dissidents. I actually don’t really have a problem with them being willing to shut down accounts associated with ransomware. However, I do understand how exceptions made for “criminal activity” can end up being directed at people who simply have a differing political opinion.
Finally, when it comes to political dissidence: If you are under the thumb of an authoritarian government, is violence taken to achieve freedom considered a “criminal act” by these privacy companies?
These companies have potentially put themselves in a very thorny situation in regards to their intended purpose.
That’s it I’m going back to Juno.
