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A non-amicably seceded Texas is doomed as a country. No food, drugs, or medical supplies from the rest of the country. No parts to repair their oil wells or vehicles (made by businesses in other states). Companies like John Deere would be forced to brick all equipment in Texas. Then the US government imposes sanctions on any country doing business with Texas, and businesses outside Texas are restricted from doing business in Texas. Nobody comes to their rescue when the power grid fails in an ice storm or a hurricane blows through the state.
Face it. States are too interdependent to cut ties with the rest of the country.
Nothing would make me happier than to see those braindead republicans catch the car, so to speak. They have absolutely no foresight whatsoever, they just think they can pray for a viable government into existence. Texas is such a joke and they think all the other states are just jealous they aren’t Texas, lol embarrassing.
Texan here. The vast majority of us don’t want to secede and think this is crazy. Please don’t curse us along with the monsters that are ruining our lives.
And before the “just move” train starts, a lot of us would like to, but we need access to our current support systems to survive, and can’t detangle our lives from our area at the drop of a hat.
I understand what you’re saying, and it’s nothing personal against you. But, can I ask what are you doing to help? If being cursed with the consequences of personal comfort and complacency is what it takes to create actual change for the people that Texas so be it. I’m sure the majority don’t like it, it’s embarrassing, but what are they doing? Are they calling/emailing/writing to leadership? Are they voting? Are they encouraging their family members to vote? Until the majority get active against this insanity it’s going to get worse.
As it so happens, yes. My family has been politically active as Texas progressives for almost 100 years now, and I’m part of that chain. I’ve been at the protests, made the phone calls, signed the petitions, and donated the money I can spare. Furthermore, I have a lot of friends who have been doing the same.
We aren’t all complacent down here. Our state has been heavily gerrymandered to the point that we need a lot more than a simple majority to win an election. We’re doing everything we can, but anyone looking at the Republican Party right now can see that it is a huge and dangerous organization. They use smoke and mirrors to make their control in this state seem a lot more absolute than it actually is.
Edit: I also wanted to add that when you call your Texas representatives, they don’t answer the phone. Shame doesn’t sway these people, which is why our best hope is changing demographics and getting out the vote.
All I have to say is keep up the good fight. I know not all of Texas is like my family who are trump humping bastards. Keep fighting, I hope you guys can make some progress and de-program some of your peers but I know it’s an uphill battle. I don’t even live there and I’m exhausted with it all. I truly truly appreciate what you guys are doing. I don’t even live in Texas and I’m exhausted with their politics. Good luck, rooting for you from the East Coast 💖
One day, when this state is truly purple and we stop with the regressive politics, I hope people come visit us here and see what some of the good things are about Texas. Big Tex at the State Fair is really a sight to behold, and our brisket and Tex Mex will bring tears of joy to your eyes. Plus, “y’all” was way ahead of its time as an inclusive and non-gendered term—we don’t get enough credit for that.
That’s the Texas I’m from, that’s the Texas I’m proud of, and that’s the Texas that awaits America on the other side if y’all can help us throw off our republican shackles.
4head why didn’t I think of that? Just vote! It’s so fucking obvious! I’m gonna vote even HARDER this time! That’ll fix it!
yeah. that will fix it.
What if mexico just decides to retake what used to be theirs and send the army to conquer seceded Texas? 🤔🤔🤔 Serious question
No one in Texas would allow that to happen. So, war
Pretty sure that Texas cannot defeat Mexico without the help of the other states of the US xD. Time for the mexicans to reclaim what was lost.
I think if Texas does secede it will still have trade partners. I have a feeling it would ironically be Mexico and even China could mix in Russia in there too. Basically anyone who hates USA.
Radical isolationists having trade partners? LoL who? Mexico has far more reasons to hate TX alone than the remaining 49. They could basically write off Europe and the Middle East.
Ok yeah. Russia would be all over them. If they could bypass the US blockade.
I don’t want to compare Texas to NK but since you mentioned a radical isolationist I instantly thought of NK. Based from this article https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinabuchholz/2023/05/26/who-is-north-korea-trading-with-infographic/?sh=532c63bf1496 it still has trading partners.
Edit: gave the wrong link
Why would Mexico trade with a seceded Texas? Would they want to end all commerce with the U.S.?
It seems logical to me they are neighbors. It may be not at first, but if Texas does survives after whatever war happens. Eventually a neighbouring nation would see Texas as a potential trading partner. We can see the same thing with Pakistan and India they still trade despite they hate each other.
Russia and Ukraine are neighbors. North Korea and South Korea are neighbors. I have no idea why you think neighbors means trading partners.
I’m sure both examples given were at some point have trade relationship or was open to trade relations, I think NK and SK had the Sunshine policy. It may not be now. A close one was normalization of Israel and Arab countries could eventually lead to trading between Israel and Arab nations which Hamas ofcourse took that away. If we look for another one is Indonesia and Malaysia the creation of it was bloody but look at it now. Both nations are trading. Taiwan and China still both trade despite being technically at war with each other. Japan who did horrible things during WW2 now trades with it’s used to be enemies.
I see, so you mean eventually Mexico would trade with Texas. Sure. Maybe. But not any time soon after they seceded. The U.S. is Mexico’s #1 trading partner. Why would they jeopardize that to help a single breakaway U.S. state?
Sedition is it?
Full blown treason at this point.
It’s a Texas owned park. The Feds are claiming it for a processing area.
That’s where Texas appears to be staking their claim: it’s ours and you can’t take it under the Constitution.
Everything else is people on both sides dreaming up fantasy scenarios with little basis in what’s likely. Yes, Texas will continue to escalate, but they aren’t going to try to secede.
From the article:
"On Friday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton refused the federal government’s request for access to the border and demanded proof that the federal government has the authority to turn a Texas park into a port of entry. "
I know Texas is picking and choosing the framing, but the above is what the AG (corrupt as he may be) is saying. Because he needs to win a case.
This whole thing is political theater. Literally half a mile down the road from the park the wall is open and immigrants are able to freely cross. Immigrants who cross the border aren’t clueless or aimless either; the vast majority head straight to a DHS checkpoint to start the asylum process. This is because most people crossing are literally just trying to seek a better life by working the jobs Americans refuse to do for pay that’s higher than what they could earn in their home countries. Additionally, while reports of increased numbers of people crossing the border are true, so is the opposite. People are leaving at almost the same rate. It’s crazy how people don’t see that immigration is a made up issue.
The average european:
If America falls we’re taking all of you fuckers with us
That is definitely true, but I will still be laughing on the way down with you ;)
I personally welcome my always was Chinese overlord
+5 to your social credit for willfully accepting the CCP.
-25 for engaging with an unsanctioned online community.
Ok, do it you cowards. I double dog dare you.
So the largest threat to the United States is Gregory Abbot…
I’m not JAG, but article 142 seems to apply to the Texas State Guardsmen. They’re following unlawful orders.
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So why can’t Texas form its own country?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something, and the words of the messiah’s is infallible or something. I get that’s it is written somewhere, that’s not what I’m asking.
So I don’t mean that. I mean doesn’t america always bang on about people being able to govern themselves rather than been forced into another government they don’t want to be a part of. Like if 60% or hell even 100% of texans wanted to be their own country. Doesn’t stopping that go against the fundamental defining block of America.
Couldn’t that just get voted on and passed?
I kinda understand that Benjamin Franklin in a god and he wrote something the words of the messiah’s work is infallible or something. I get that’s it is written somewhere, that’s not what I’m asking.
What in the world are you talking about about here?
9 times out of 10 when you talk to an American about something they say “you can’t do that because the constitution says X, Y, Z”. It always reminds me of Muslims, Jews or Christians talking about their holy books.
Most other nationalities make arguments based on some logic, or reason. If there is a law that stops them they talk about changing it, that isn’t an issue. But for Americans the constitution is something that is almost holy. They make arguments based on the fact that the constitution says something not because of any reasoning behind it.
But I’m not American so the argument more often than not falls flat. It’s kinda relevant now but that’s not what I want to know.
I’ll actually rephrase the sentence, in the orginal post as it’s a bit crap.
In fairness they do that because the Constitution, and legal precedent surrounding it, is the cornerstone of all federal law, supersedes all state and local laws, and is pretty close to impossible to change in the current political climate. It’s pretty hard to change in more “normal” times!
It’s more than that.
You ask as Christian why they don’t kill and they will says “God said thou shall not kill”. When really the underlying argument is that it is morally wrong to do so … obviously this point can be fleshed out a lot but for non Christians is not about the book
You talk about how freedom of speech is an ideal that the world and we should strive for more of it and Americans will say “The first amendment says the govement can’t censor you. Say nothing about corporations” then all the other Americans are like “haha yea got him” and “perfect explaination. Omg people are so stupid”.
When in fact I don’t actually care what the constitution says I’m talking more philosophy than “religion” just because your foreign law says one thing doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion that differs from it and honestly that isn’t a reason for you to have that opinion either.
[Also in researching this comment I realised that freedom of speech is the first ammendment not in the orginal text. So I look a bit stupid, but whatever I can’t be expected to know the laws of every foreign country. The point still stands it seems like Americans treat the constitution as holy]
For sure, plenty see it as a static document. They’re known as “originalists” or “strict constructionists.” Many take that a step or two too far into quasi -religion.
FWIW, nobody says the Constitution applies anywhere outside the US. You bring up murder as an example and say the underlying reason is that it’s immoral to kill. So why do we have laws against killing people? I mean we all know it’s immoral to kill, so why do we need the laws? Because not everything that is immoral is illegal. Not everything that’s moral is legal, either. You’re treating two different things as if they were one and the same. Plenty of people will tell you that two dudes getting married is “immoral,” and even cite Bible passages. I feel like you and I would probably disagree with them. This is where law can step in and establish the boundary individuals have to respect regardless of their moral views. Morals are for individuals, laws are for societies because we don’t all always agree on what’s “right.”
I don’t speak of free speech as this all healing thing, and anyone who does is naive, at best. In fact there are certainly plenty of times where free speech has no place. I don’t have free speech at work, for example, and I understand why.
The point of the free speech thing is that Americans will say any view you have against the constitution is wrong because the constitution says something else. Americans online and in person absolutely act like the constitution controls the Internet.
The moment Texas seriously considers leaving, every business would immediately pull up and leave. There are huge companies in Texas that would pull out to avoid the drama and fascism awaiting a “free” Texas.
Texas Instruments would just become New Mexico Instruments, not a big change. :)
Well that’s a different issue.
I’m not sure it would be as drastic as that because there is lots of oil and with things like Brexit not everyone left.
But just the concept of leaving seems like that is what America is about. The Americans even put self-determination into the UN.
Are you under the strange impression that Benjamin Franklin wrote the U.S. Constitution?
Same reason my child can’t declare their bedroom as their own legally separate house
That’s uncomparable. You are saying Texans are unable to choose what they do in life. That sounds like prison. So if your child becomes an adult grows up and wants a place of his own, bearing in mind for this analogy to work there must only be one house as you can’t just make more land. You still own where he lives and what he does? He doesn’t have equal control as you, sounds like he’s born into slavery.
Legal experts in the US consider the idea of a state seceding from the USA to be a closed question. There is no legal route to secession. The state of Texas would have to go to war with the US to enforce them seceding. It would fail, and abbot would be tried for treason and be sentanced to death.
I know that may sound overblown but it’s pretty open and shut, legally speaking
Your forgetting it’s a country founded on hypocrisy.
