Without a Palestinian state and a multi-national presence to enforce it there will never be peace. The motive for attacks will remain.
Imagine how much better the world would be if Jews migrated to the US instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.
Zionism is a plague that is responsible for untold damage.
People in Palestine actually welcome them, and it is not Jew it is the Zainoist movement that were supported ( not sure who exactly gave them guns ) and started two organizations that committed multiple massacres before forming Israel.
People in Palestine actually welcome them
Hhmmmmmmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
These were already after Zionists were already moving to the land in droves and trying to set up the Israeli state. That’s like saying the Native Americans were violent anti-Americans for attacking settler colonies during the Wild West. The process of displacement and settler colonialism was already way underway by that time and seen in real time by the local. Rather than give them their own state as promised after WWI, Britain instead not only kept Palestine, but used it so all the antisemitic European countries had somewhere to put their Jews. Revisionist Zionists happily accepted this arrangement and once they had the numbers, started setting up terrorist and paramilitary groups and prepping for their future state.
But Jewish immigration has been happening for awhile before the violence had started, and during that time, relations between the groups were almost entirely peaceful and accepting. Keep in mind that migrations were happening in the 1800’s and even earlier, way before your Wikipedia time line starts.
Btw, some of these Zionist groups tried to coordinate with the Nazis, too. And they’ve never reconciled with that. One of them became prime minister, and Netanyahu has a figure of the founder of Lehi behind his desk, too.
The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews who fled to Israel after almost all of them, some 850,000 in total, were expelled or pressured out of Muslim-majority Middle Eastern countries from 1948 through the 1950s. About 72% (650,000) settled in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
The notion that Jewish Israelis are just Europeans is a profoundly racist and ignorant belief.
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Mizrahi is a modern term used to erase the European origin of many Jewish communities living in the former Ottoman empire.
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This argument is often used by Zionists to suggest that the majority of the modern Israeli population is made up of indigenous groups. This is not correct.
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Even if that’s true they certainly jumped on the settler colonialism bandwagon from Europe quick enough.
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The belief that any group of people are entitled to live anywhere because of their religion (religious nationalism) is bad.
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Sure, but I don’t think they should get to pick and choose where they get to be.
Zionists disagree, and this is the result of appeasing them.
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No, I didn’t suggest that and don’t pretend that I did.
How about a compromise? There is plenty of room in the US for them.
Yeah but fuck the Saudis.
Yeah, it’s terrible that they’re the ones on the right side of history on this. It shows how low the US is willing to go to protect its ME interests. Literally morally lower than Saudi.
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Israel doesn’t give a shit. They were only interested in normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia to keep them away and deal with them later. Now that they’ve ripped their masks off and kicked the ethnic cleansing process into high gear, there’s no point in normalizing relations. If Saudi Arabia has a problem with it, they’ll be “regime changed”. We’ve hit a point of no return.
If the west was going to regime change Saudi Arabia they would have done it after 9/11, which was planned financed and perpetrated by Saudis. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq instead, two enemies of Saudi Arabia that had nothing to do with it. Israeli and Saudi dick are equally down America’s throat and I honestly don’t know which one NATO would side with.
Saudi Arabia is a well-tamed bitch. There was no need to go after Saudi Arabia after 9/11 because they were already fully under control. Nah, a tragedy like that is best capitalized by taking down “rogue” enemy states like Iraq. Just look at the countries that the US has involved itself in, including Syria, Libya, Somalia, etc… these are countries that weren’t playing ball. It’s looking like Iran’s turn is soon. After all these countries have been fully taken care of, the US can take down the tamed bitches like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Basic divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book.
To change the saudi “regime” you have to change the society itself because it is a tribal society. It will take at least one or two more generation to create any fundamental change in the kingdom.
Nah, the US just backs one of the many “princes” to usurp the throne. Failing that, they do a full-on invasion.
They can’t even do that. They might bomb cities but they cannot do a full invasion. The land is Massive with mountains, large desert and extreme heat. And if they touch Mecca or Madinah you mobilize 1 billion Muslims around the world.
Mountains, desert, and extreme heat haven’t stopped the US from invading in the past. They’d be focusing on key areas.
Impossible for a non-Islamic state to invade Saudi Arabia. There would be a profound religious war. The crown’s whole legitimacy comes from them protecting Mecca.
They derive all their power from their oil supply and their close ties to the US (which they get because of their oil supply).
Not at all. Most Muslims don’t care about Saudi rulers and see them as massive Hypocrites collaborating with israel.
Unless their politicians hide inside Mecca it’s not likely anyone will undertake action.
What the fuck rambling simple minded bullshit is this?
If you think two sentences is rambling then maybe you’re the simple-minded one. Sorry you have trouble understanding, but let the adults talk.
Actually the adults voted on these comments. 😿
Yes, I’m sure you and your three alt accounts are super adults for caring about upvotes and downvotes. Here, have a downvote.
Lol I’ve never created an alt for voting in my life. How old are you? An ignorant baby? Or a stubborn geriatric?
The Saudis are never on the right side of anything. They do not give a shit about Palestinians and they never did - this just how they attempt to be a thorn in the side of the US.
Who cares? Saudis are a fundamentalist theocracy built on oil money
Anyone who wants peace in the Near East as there’s no way around the Saudis and their influence. They’re a diplomatic heavyweight in general: Within the Arab world by tribal whatnot, elsewhere mostly fuelled by oil.
Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine and there was no peace.
I don’t know what they have been doing with their influence to this point then.
Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine
Israel is founded on the Nakba. There hasn’t been a single day of peace since religious Zionists appeared in the region (the whole thing would’ve been possible with only Labour Zionists) which is no surprise as religious Zionists are fascists and fascists love their purified ethno-states and eternal wars.
My solution? One-state. Let all the Palestinians into Israel, with full citizenship, all of them (see right of return), tear down the walls in the west bank, deport Hamas and Kahanites into Gaza where they can fight it out to their heart’s content without bothering anyone else. Quadruple the height of the wall. They’re all criminals an open-air prison is adequate. Also put corrupt politicians there, especially corrupt prime ministers.
Glass em tbh
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Entity does smart thing
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“Omg, they’re just like me!”
The entity is not Ryan Gosling from Drive so it is not like me.
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Israel has an excellent opportunity to make peace and be the economic engine of growth for the region. But the mullahs in Iran, Hamas, and present day Likud are all made for each other
Yup. Israel desperately needs to hold new elections. If necessary, Gantz should threaten to collapse the coalition government if that’s what it takes. Israel needs sensible leaders like Benny Gantz, Gadi Eisenkot, Yair Lapid, and Gallant who actually understand that while it’s necessary to exterminate Hamas, the only way of ensuring long-term peace and stability in the region is to reach a political solution with a pathway towards Palestinian self-rule.
I worked with Lapid’s son. Chilliest most down to earth motherfucker. Having said that, I don’t know shit about the progressive players. But my colleagues, under the age of 60, mostly from IDF intelligence, all supported multi state, anti settlements, and didn’t know how tf anyone was going to find a path fwd.
