I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
What things did he do?
He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail
There’s also the flat mouse
Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one.
But like, he didn’t design or build it himself. His company did.
So by that logic he’s still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets.
He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we’re all better off living in a world without Flash.
He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one
This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though.
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Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
No, he bought it from others and made them sign a contract letting him claim he’s the original founder.
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
I just gave you some pretty major differences. To me, most things that defines Musk as the horrible person he is aren’t true for Jobs. Again: The extremist position, transphobia, the fact that he bought into his companies and didn’t actually invent these things and made these breakthroughs by himself (which is just not true for Jobs, even if you have reasons to not like him), that he just got his money by his father’s mine and hasn’t made such successes by himself, etc. All of that doesn’t apply to Jobs.
Those things you mention are just… cases of him doing awful stuff; most of them not even related to Musk in any way. But if “he did awful stuff” is enough to set him on the same layer as Musk, then he is also “the same person” as a good share of all people living.
He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.
Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.
Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.
’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was.
You really buy that? That’s some bullshit someone says when they got fucked over and know they’ll lose and come out worse if they try to get what’s rightfully theirs.
Woz himself has said as much. The guy has more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s fine.
Woz himself has said as much.
That’s why I said:
That’s some bullshit someone says when…
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit about the contentedness of any of these treasure hoarding shitdragons, but there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Muskrat is throwing an endless tantrum and fucking up people’s lives over a bad deal, even though he did it to himself on purpose.
there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hi, you don’t know me… but for a single hundred million dollars, you can ass fuck me out of as many hundreds more as you want.
Not to stand up for jobs, but from what I’ve seen of woz, I can totally believe he wouldn’t see more money as worth the bother. From what I’ve seen: If you’re making 36k a year, your are obsessed with opportunities to get more, no matter who you are. Your life is financially difficult and any chance to overcome that is worth it.
If you are making 200k a year, you start seeing different sorts of folk.
Some will not stop until that number is as big as it can be. Their lives will be consumed by that as a “high score”
Some care less about money and more about titles and conspicuous status symbols, like a coveted office.
Some are happy to just do their work the way they like without having to worry about the money anymore, or to work on hobbies and afford to walk away from working.
I know folks that are 200k as “bird in the hand” money and chasing bigger numbers is worth considering, but they are more concerned about risk to their perceived status or working conditions than pay.
Take one of those last sort of folk, get them to tens of millions of wealth and they are likely happy to just stop thinking about the money, even if it means they are sonetimes the chump as a result.
That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.
I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I get this point (in contrast to how you phrased it before), so fair I guess.
But just one thing:
is revered by techbros I actually don’t know any people who revere Musk. I know this is dependent on the bubble, but at least with Jobs being generally seen pretty favourable and Musk seen extremely unfavourable by most people, I think there’s a big difference.
did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that…
Who, Elon or Steve? /s
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Fun fact: Android is older.
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. https://www.pcworld.com/article/464050/original_android_prototype_revealed_during_google_oracle_trial.html
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
To this day whenever I hear people say Apple invented the smart phone I sigh. Maybe that’s technically true or not depending on how you want to count it. But what irks me is how people think it was brilliant. Like bro, I was browsing on the go with my Zune and PSP years before the iPhone came out. The only things we can thank Apple for are the two worst parts of a smart phone. Apps and the phone.
Yes, Zune! Had one of those, a Palm TX and a PSP Design wise? Apart from cellular connectivity the Palm TX is pretty similar to an iPhone imo. More of an upgrade really, even though it released several years before the original iPhone.
Had a built in stylus, 312 mhz processor, touch screen, Bluetooth, Infrared, Wifi, flip cover (which took smartphones a while to adapt to) 128 MB ram just like iPhone, 480×320 screen like iPhone, heck even a Nes emulator. It’s so similar that I really feel like Apple took note, even had its own Palm OS.
And it releases 2+ years before the iPhone… if only they were hyped more and had access to cell networks.
When the first iPhone released I paid virtually no attention bc I’d been having devices that did similar and more for a while already
Heck the TX even had an App where you could select virtually any T.V and use it as a remote via IR, can’t do that shit on an iPhone even today
Oh, and expandable storage via SD cards. Idk how we downgraded
Android was not aimed at blackberry. It was to be a completely new phone OS from the ground up and add extensive capabilities to the phone world over what the blackberry (the most popular phone at the time) could. Yes the G1 had a similar form factor to the most popular phone at the time and it wasn’t even the only form. The phone in the picture was from prototype stage and never shipped in that form factor. The shipping go had a screen and button under it. The screen slid sideways to reveal a keyboard. The Motorola droid was the most popular android phone when they actually shipped. I had a droid and a coworker had a G1. Development problems and companies scared to gamble on a radical new product delayed Androids launch behind iPhones. Apple did a fantastic job of developing the iPhone in secret, knowing the Android was coming.
I miss when Steve Jobs was the most overtly garbage trashman in the tech industry. Well, at least he’s resting peacefully in hell.
Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
Android was close to being released, but it was going to be much more like a BlackBerry, with a keyboard focus. They delayed the release to retool it somewhat with more of a touch focus.
“somewhat” is doing a lot of work here. I mean, they didn’t re-write the kernel, but you can google example of the UI pre and post iPhone announcement.
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
He says great artist steal then says he wants to destroy android for stealing? Like he did anything but hype shit up on stage
He hates artists
rofl. apple stole their gui from xerox, so I guess he knew how it worked.
still failed, rather epically
