President Joe Biden said Friday that he is planning to request more money from Congress to develop another new coronavirus vaccine, as scientists track new waves and hospitalizations rise, though not like before
So, just a general message to all the commenters who are eye-rolling this:
Viruses mutate, and COVID has mutated continuously since it has been in the wild. All those shots did serve a purpose to continue to provide protection, and that this one will too.
You’re tired? Viruses don’t get tired. It’s not only a good thing, it’s a miracle that we even are able to keep up with these mutations and almost completely mitigate the risk of, oh, just death and life-long debilitating symptoms with a 15 minute visit to the doctor to get a shot every so often.
Viruses mutate, and COVID has mutated continuously since it has been in the wild. All those shots did serve a purpose to continue to provide protection, and that this one will too.
It’s somewhat baffling that this needs repeating after three years of COVID, but yet here we are.
Not even the doctor. I’ve never once gone to the doctor to get a COVID shot. Once a clinic and the rest of the time CVS or Kroger or whoever has the most convenient appointment time.
First time visiting our city’s new sports stadium was ending the pandemic with a long queue of people getting vaccinated.
We had 1 chance to eradicate COVID and that was when countries first started locking down. We failed… Miserably. So now COVID is endemic, meaning it is NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY. We will be going in for COVID and Flu shots every year for the foreseeable future. If we are lucky, they’ll eventually be able to roll the flu and COVID shots into one inoculation.
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Currently, at least 5 main lineages, with several sub-lineages among Omicron, at least. Wikipedia only marks Omicron as a variant of concern right now, and the others are considered out of circulation among the general population. I couldn’t find WHO data easily on their website, however.
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Yeah, we all know that viruses mutate. That’s like 4th grade science. We all know that new vaccines would be part of the deal. After all they roll out a new flu vaccine every year. I’m not saying that Covid is comparable in devastation to the flu. I’m just saying that anyone who even halfway knows how things work knew this would be the deal.
That’s why I don’t care. I knew from the beginning that this would be how this played out. It’s not a bad thing. I’m not an “anti-vaxer”. Everybody should get their yearly Covid vaccine and flu vaccine.
But when you knew this is how it would work all along it’s not really news is it? It kind of feels like they are just distracting from providing real help to struggling people.
So the government will fund it with tax money, and pharma companies will sell it back to the government for “undisclosed” amount. Did i get it right? Oh what capitalism will do for our collective good.
Still an improvement over the current policy of “shut the fuck up, covid is over.”
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Republicans will fight him on this, because somehow they’ll find fault in this if a DEMOCRAT does it.
A majority of their voters are antivaxxers, so it is not just because a Democrat doing it. It is the fact that it is being done at all.
Not a majority, but a substantial number of them. Majority of Republicans got vaccinated, and even a slim majority favored vaccine mandates, but that eroded as it became a Party talking point.
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Your memory is faulty. In summer and fall 2020, Trump was indicating to staff he may try to force the FDA to approve a vaccine without completing the required tests, just so he could claim that vaccines were out before the election. That would have been catastrophic and stretched the pandemic out for years. Biden and Harris said clearly and publicly on TV that they do not trust Trump and would only trust vaccines approved by scientists. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both completed phase 3 trials and got FDA authorization in December 2020, and both Biden and Trump got vaccines to show that it was safe.
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Quote sources if you claim stuff like this.
You’re wrong. I said I wanted the vaccine as soon as it came out and was only available to certain people. Trump’s being in office had nothing to do with it. Also, they aren’t “Trump vaccines” or “Biden vaccines.” That’s moronic.
Lol what? All the democrats didn’t trust it? Are you nuts? We were begging for that shit
Hey I just wanna say thanks for making it easy to know who to block =*
If the government funds the research and development of a vaccine then any taxpayer should get it for free. None of this handing money to a pharma company only for them to sell it back to us bullshit.
I’m immunocompromised and have to stop some of my drugs to take the vaccines. There’s no way I can do it again.
Then you should pray that everybody else does, you know
I don’t do magic, but, yeah, I’ll have to be careful.
I just can’t do it again. I’ll kill myself before going through more pain like that. I just got my meds back after having to stop one for a while over liver enzymes. I like being able to button my pants and shower. Being able to work and make money is also lovely.
Imagine downvoting someone expressing their legitimate experience with a challenging problem they face.
Or you got downvote brigaded. Either way, this is a valid concern but unfortunately just underlines the reality of being immunocompromised - you are vulnerable and it is the responsibility of your friends family and neighbors to think about the vulnerable and do these things to protect people like you so you can live as long and healthy as possible.
Yeah, it’s kind of wild. The original point of herd immunity was to cover for people that for whatever reason couldn’t vaccinate. Luckily, the array of bullshit I’m on hasn’t caused huge problems past feeling like shit and becoming lactose intolerant.
Oh that’s a fun one with the autoimmune disorders. They always list the same stuff, celiac chrons lactose intolerance etc etc.
Hopin they make some dope breakthroughs for the group of disorders overall and make some big leaps soon! ♥️
They’ve made some awesome breakthroughs recently. Drugs that end in mab are monoclonal antibodies. Sometimes humanized mouse (chimaeras ftw) or, now, human antibodies. Expensive as fuck, but it’s the only thing I take for RA that isn’t some form of poison or something with annoying side effects.
Fuck yeah, here’s to affordable medical care and continued scientific progress!
That’ll turn those dropping pharma stocks trending back up.
Yes, keep making more vaccines but don’t make people wear masks and keep distances. Theres literally nothing we can do to prevent diseases spreading besides vaccines. Surely covid was the last virus to threaten us.
When do we stop wearing masks, in your estimation? Never, since airborne diseases will always exist?
When you’re not breathing ten centimeters away from me. Thank you
Oh, so since I’m not breathing ten centimeters from your face, does that mean now?
You’re the first anti-vax, pro-mask person I’ve ever seen.
Mate, im not anti vax. Im simply saying that the vaccine is not the only way for us to defend against diseases. We can do things to prevent them, much cheaper and quite reasonable things.
Masks required a large chunk of the population to follow the rules, which will never happen sadly
Okay, but updated vaccines are still vital, as is funding them.
But were focusing only on vaccines and under capitalism i’m not so sure that our money is that effectively spent when transferred to pharma corporations. Isnt it insane that we’ve had three separate vaccines developed for the same virus when we really needed one?
Wait… so you’re saying scientific research into vaccines shouldn’t explore multiple avenues in case one is more effective than the others? Something you can’t do without funding?
Oh it should, but maybe under one organization, so we do not end up with one corporation undermining the effectiveness of the other simply for more profit.
Okay, but that’s just not how things work right now. That’s wishful thinking. Right now, the government funds private research. I don’t like it either, but that’s the way we will get future COVID vaccines.
Maybe this time it will go through the correct channels. None of this “get it out quick” bs.
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What does this have to do with anything?
Go back to Facebook with this garbage
Why not the Flu too? Both are similar now it seems and both are a nuisance. Why just a vaccine for Coronavirus?
I’m pretty sure there’s already a flu vaccine for this year’s strains, what with me having already gotten one.
Right you are.
These days the coronavirus isn’t really severe anymore right? Not saying that research should be stopped, but wondering if those who were going to die due to coronavirus sir to other health complications in combination with COVID probably already did die, which would be a majority of the deaths. (Yes, it is quite brutal but I believe this is true). These days even masks are not worn.
Every COVID variant has the possibility to be more transmissible and more deadly. Taking this with the cavalier attitude you want to is ridiculous. You sound like the “it’s just the flu” people, who ignore the fact that 50 million people died of the flu in 1918.
COVID needs funding because COVID is even more serious. We don’t know how to treat it as well as we do influenza, which is well-studied and nowhere near as novel.
So it doesn’t matter if it isn’t severe right now. The potential is not worth taking lightly.
Don’t forget about that often ignored long COVID possibility either. The research is suggesting that each time you get COVID your chances of having more issues down the road go up. I don’t know if the risk is increased that much yet, but it’s a worrying trend that it seems mainstream media have stopped reporting on (probably because the economies needed people to get back to work).
SARS-CoV-2 isn’t really any less severe, if anything the newer variants are more aggressive, but in a way that’s a good thing. The original strain had a particularly long incubation period, meaning an infectious person could do a lot of social mixing before the first symptoms appeared, and the same for all the people they came in contact with, leading to an explosion in cases that could overwhelm healthcare systems. There were varying reports of two weeks all the way up to a month.
Now, between more aggressive strains, and pre-existing antibodies from vaccines and/or prior exposure (even if “outdated”) the immune response kicks in much faster and people know they have it much sooner and there’s less opportunities for spread (even if some assholes don’t care and mix anyway). That combined with awareness of the virus and better treatment for the manageable number of people who get seriously ill means society is able to cope much better while “returning to normality”
Still sucks for individuals who get severe cases even now.Whether you think COVID isn’t that bad anymore or not, it’s sucks to get it. I would 100% take a shot every year instead of the flu shot if it meant I wasn’t bedridden for weeks
Not to mention long COVID.
Who fucking cares. I’m so tired of the coronavirus. I got the first vaccine, and all 3 boosters. Plus I caught corona. Twice. I don’t fucking care any more. Let’s talk about housing. Let’s talk about minimum wage. Let’s talk about healthcare. I’d take dental care and optical at this point.
Huh. So you’re saying all my sister, father-in-law, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, and cousins have to do to get over their various long COVID symptoms is declare they’re tired of it? Holy shit, I’m calling them all right away!
I’m saying. If they are already dealing with long Covid a new vaccine isn’t going to fix that. Sure, it may keep them from catching it again, but They’ll still have long Covid until they don’t.
Covid isn’t going away at this point. EVER. This is now something we have to live with. There will now be a constant threat of covid hanging over our heads. I’m not saying that new vaccines shouldn’t be developed, but it also shouldn’t be big news. Every year a new flu vaccine comes out, and every year a new Covid vaccine will have to roll out. This is life now.
COVID-19 still kills at least ten times the number of people that the flu does, causes far more hospitalizations, and leaves far more people with debilitating long-term illness. Until that changes, I am absolutely fine with getting information out there when a new and improved vaccine is in the works or ready, and I’m having trouble understanding why someone wouldn’t be.
No one’s forcing you to read news about it. You could have skipped this article.
Since, no one has answered my replies. I’m going to keep asking the questions. I want the new vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but how much will it cost? Do you think these vaccines will be no cost to the American people forever? I just literally took out a loan to get a tooth filled. Vaccines are less effective when less people take them right? So, how’s it going to work this time?
How much will it cost?
For now, the vaccines will continue to be free. It’s in the public interest to get vaccines into as many arms as possible.
Will the vaccines be free forever?
Probably not, but I don’t see them having a cost to the consumer for a long time. Not until the dominant strains are no more dangerous than influenza.
Are vaccines less effective when fewer people get them?
Yes, especially with a rapidly mutating virus.
How’s it going to work this time?
Probably similar to the prior booster shots.
Thank you for responding. I agree with a lot of what you said. The parts I don’t agree with mainly have to do with a lack of faith in in the US government to do what’s right. In other words. I think they will start charging for vaccines when they decide the losses will be acceptable. Which will probably be long before it’s on par with the flu.
But, I’d just like to point out that with socialized medicine. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
Also, you didn’t have to answer your question about are they less effective if less people get them. I had already stated that. When I was saying that if people have to pay for them then less people get them making them less effective.
I guess I should have said “I’m tired of hearing about things that I’m too poor to benefit from”. Maybe that’s how I should have worded it.
I’m saying. If they are already dealing with long Covid a new vaccine isn’t going to fix that. Sure, it may keep them from catching it again, but They’ll still have long Covid until they don’t.
Sorry, but your assumption is wrong. Available studies show post-COVID vaccination may be able to help long COVID symptoms.
“Three of the five studies of vaccination after the infection showed significant reductions in patients with long covid, but none showed any harm of vaccination.”
From this study: https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000385
Well, I hope it does help them. After all, no one deserves to suffer unnecessarily. If there is a treatment then that’s good.
There are a lot of things that make me question the validity of what is said in that paper, but honestly I’m not really interested in debating your hope for your loved ones.
Just to be clear. I hope it does work like that. A long shot is still a shot. I’ve hung my medical needs on a Hail Mary and won. So…
I hope you have a good night, or day or whatever. I don’t know where you are.
I’ll take the L on this one.
Ok. And?
I don’t care about it, so that means we shouldn’t focus on it anymore!
I didn’t say that we shouldn’t focus on it. But here’s a question for ya. How much is this new vaccine going to cost Americans? I mean the same people that charge ridiculous amounts of money for insulin aren’t going to give away vaccines right? Is the US government going to pay for these vaccines for everyone? All the vaccines in the world do no good if people can’t afford them.
Aw honey.
Oh you mean to tell me that the first 6 needles they offered up did absolutely nothing for the long run? Guess we’ll just toss another 6 needles into everyone for this type of Covid too. Wonder how quickly the whole population has long term health problems due to that.
Nobody got 6 doses, so you’re already strawmanning.
Second, the original vaccine was highly effective against original Covid. Then it mutated so a booster was necessary, and that was dramatically effective in the long run. Deaths fell. Hospitalizations fell. Long Covid fell. The change in those factors is what allowed life to resume.
Antivaxxers are a shitplague.
And what’s your scientific basis for thinking that?
Creationism isn’t a good look.
