Russia has done more for NATO than the US has done
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What do you mean?
Such a mask off moment to be afraid of Russian aggression after they invaded Ukraine.
Well they can kiss their unions goodbye in about a decade.
NATO is a military alliance, not an economic pact.
Nothing is ever in a bubble.
Sure, but why would a military alliance be of any greater consequence than, say, membership in the European Union?
Because the EU is a loose collection of liberal nations, while NATO was literally started by a nazi to spread anticommunism.
If the Russians didn’t want more countries in NATO, then they shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. It’s not “imperialism” or “russophobia” for Finland to be afraid of a Russian invasion.
Not just Ukraine, they invaded Georgia in 2008 and are currently creating a breakaway region in Moldova just like before the invasions of both Ukraine and Georgia.
NATO shouldn’t have expanded beyond the former DDR to provoke Russia
Based on what? NATO gave non-expansion assurances to USSR and Russia has been pretty adamant they are not the successor to the USSR. There’s no reasonable explanation why NATO shouldn’t have expanded into the former soviet states. After all those states wanted NATO to expand there.
Maybe Russia should’ve done a better job being a partner to the former soviet states. With the exception of Belarus Russia doesn’t have any positive relations in eastern europe, and even Belarus is a huge exception because Lukashenko can’t stay in power without Russia. The only former ally Russia had was Ukraine and we all know how that went for Ukraine. Russia is a huge threat to the sovereignty of those countries and Russia has had zero interest in having good relations with those countries. Is it really any wonder those countries fled under the banner of NATO? I don’t think so.
Also Russia is the top promoter of NATO. The article mentions how Sweden and Finland have maintained neutrality for over half a century. They could’ve joined NATO any time they wanted and they didn’t. But then Putin threatened both countries and within months both countries decided to join NATO. You have to go into some conspiracy theory mode to ignore the obvious cause and effect here. I will say with 100% certainty that if Russia had not invaded Ukraine and Putin had not threatened Sweden and Finland then neither country would’ve taken any steps towards joining NATO. Because why should they, why take the obligations if there’s no threat to defend yourself from?
In fact let’s not forget that prior to the Ukraine invasion the sentiment was moving towards whether NATO is even necessary anymore. Maybe 10 years from now NATO would’ve dissolved all by itself. But we won’t know that now because the invasion of Ukraine has been a signal to countries that NATO is still necessary. Russia’s actions are keeping NATO alive.
If Ukraine is of any indication the only thing NATO has done to Russia is prevent them from invading the Baltics and Poland. Do you really think that’s a bad thing?
Sure, it was a dumb move because it angered Russia, but it’s not a reason to murder civilians.
Ukraine murdered civilians in the eastern half of the country since the euromaiden coup, breaking the Minsk Agreements multiple times
No they did not.
Also, it’s not a coup if the president abdicates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/22/ukraine-tymoshenko-president-protests
Ever wondered why all of those countries wanted to join NATO?
Why shouldn’t former DDR countries sign a defensive pact? Why would Russia not want them to do that?
Since that ‘defensive pact’ was specifically created to serve as America’s spearhead against the USSR
Spearhead against what? The USSR attacking other countries?
Name one Western European country the Soviets attacked without provocation
Never forget that NATO was collaborating with Nazis and performing false flag terrorist operations in Europe after WW2 to instill red panic and install pro-US leaders.
The cold war is over
NATO is still collaborating with Nazis to this day. You can’t see a single picture from Ukraine that doesn’t have a Nazi patch and Canada recently gave a standing ovation for a “Ukrainian war hero” who, uh oh, was a general for the waffen SS. I mean, what do you expect from an institution literally started by a Nazi? The fact that people still choose not to see it leads me to the most regrettable of conclusions.
I think the official neutrality already ended with joining the EU.
As a Pole I smirk at historic neutrality of Sweden after they decided to go over the Baltic and raid half of Poland to the ground in the 17th century.
USA! USA! USA!
Honestly the congratulations from this all go to Russia. Support for NATO never reached 50% prior to this in Finland and it was Russia attacking Ukraine that managed to do what decades and decades of pro-NATO side couldn’t. Almost overnight NATO became really really popular.
Good job, I guess. A real 4D chess move.
Nordic countries are getting colonized.
*looks at Ukraine*
Right, it’s us who are getting colonized…
That’s what happens to idiots who think that US has their interests at heard and will protect them. In case you still haven’t figured it out, it doesn’t end well.
So far has stopped Russia. If it’s a rock that keeps the tigers away, that seems like a rock worth having. Could also bash them with the rock if Russia comes invading, I suppose. Not like it takes something away from independent defence.
Stopped Russia from doing what exactly?
More like stopping that from ever happening again.
US is literally building their own bases there. That’s the definition of being colonized. You’re just happy they’re getting colonized by the right people because you’re racist.
Where are they building their bases in Finland or Sweden?
New Defense Agreement Gives US Access to Several Military Areas in Finnish Lapland
It will give American forces access to 15 military bases and exercise areas on Finnish soil. Five of these are in Lapland, Northern Finland.
oh good you can read and even bold things, have a ⭐
You deduce that I’m racist based on one single post that indicates that they may want to avoid future attacks from Russia?
There was no potential for any attacks from Russia, and no reason for Russia to attack these countries. So yes, your premise of Asiatic hordes invading Europe further underscores my point.
Just like Georgia, Ukraine and now Moldova I guess… Also Russia is slavic, not asian. It’s also pretty racist to lump all of Asia as one culture or ethnicity.
Asia was never brought up in the conversation. Unsure why you feel the need to misrepresent my words.
Those articles are archaic. Very strange to assume that everyone will have seen those and then use them as a vehicle of attack.
