Let’s say someone created a Wikipedia clone with Activitypub support, so you can freely read and edit articles on other servers. Basically the same way that Lemmy works. What would be a good name for such a project? Bonus points if the name goes with a cute animal mascot.
Edit: Here you can see the names of existing Fediverse projects.
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As it stands now, you can download all of Wikipedia for offline viewing. It’s not restricted in any way. And since Wikipedia is looking for objective truth, not opinions, I’m not sure what benefit federation would do. You want it centralized, not broken up. What happens when two instances decide that their version is the only correct one?
I just don’t see any benefit. This feels like when everyone was slapping “blockchain” on things because it was the current buzzword. What is Wikipedia failing at currently that decentralizing it would make better?
What is Wikipedia failing at currently that decentralizing it would make better?
Just like reddit (and many other services), its a centralized US-based service, has a history of scandals and conflicts of interest, has ties to the US state department, and is dominated by a small group of editors (despite its perception as being a universal unbiased knowledge store).
There’s definitely a need to decentralize knowledge, move it away from US control, and allow the collaboration that activitypub provides.
Federation, by it’s very nature, is “if I don’t like you, I can just make my own instance and do whatever I want”. How will you find objective truth when people can’t even agree within their own country? You really think we won’t just end up with LeftyWiki and RightyWiki and CommieWiki and FacistWiki? Because federated code would encourage this. You’re literally adding problems when your problem is people based, not code based.
Why is having alternative sources of information that can collaborate a bad thing?
Why are you even on lemmy, rather than reddit, if you’d rather have a single isolated source of communication?
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There are plenty of Wikipedia articles which are not objective, particularly when it comes to politics or history. Of course federation means there would be many different wikis. That makes sense, for example different countries should have their own independent wikis, instead of using one controlled by a different nation.
Yes, we can have a US wiki, a Russia Wiki, a China Wiki, a North Korea Wiki, and none of them will agree with each other and you will have reduced an encyclopedia into worthless anecdotes and opinions.
Wikipedia has very major problems, but almost nobody is aware of them. Give this article a read to get an idea.
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Let’s pretend I agree with the article. You’d still be in the same boat with a federalized wiki. It’d still be hundreds of thousands of volunteer contributors, and that’s where all the corruption supposedly lies. Except now it’s broken up amongst many many many places, and moderation is that much harder now. So, for the upteenth time, what exactly is Wikipedia THE PLATFORM failing at, and why is the fediverse a solution to that specific problem? What part of wikipedias code or implementation is broken and what will the equivalent federated code/setup look like to combat this? Because if you’re just going to point to corrupt people, I have a whole world for you to take a look at. Corruption isn’t a uniquely Wikipedia problem and isn’t caused by their code.
It sounds like you didn’t read the article at all, because it clearly explains how Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales himself is involved in many such cases of corruption and manipulation. The code is not the problem, but the fact that a single organization has full control over the site and can decide which contributions get accepted or rejected.
So, you STILL HAVENT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
What part of wikipedias code or implementation is the problem? And how will the fediverse solve this?
IF dude is corrupt, what’s to stop the next fediwiki from being corrupt too? After all, since it’s federated, if I don’t like your “facts”, I can just defederate and spread my own “facts”.
So maybe do some reading of your own and answer my question. What’s wrong with the Wikipedia CODE that federated CODE will solve and how? Otherwise all you’re really advocating for is starting your own Wikipedia, and no one is stopping you.
This is just “old thing + new buzzword”.
I bet a year ago you would have said the exact same things about Lemmy, and yet here you are.
I understand the difference between a centralized and decentralized service. I WANT Wikipedia to be centralized. I’ve said that since the beginning. Objective truth has no business being splintered up.
What’s wrong with the Wikipedia CODE that federated CODE will solve and how?
Wikipedia is centralized, and doesn’t allow collaboration by self-hosted servers. Activitypub allows this. You seem to not understand the point of the site you’re using right now.
I understand the point. I also know that we’re currently defederated from hexbear and a few others. So in effect, there is less openness currently in Lemmy than on Wikipedia. How exactly is being able to do that.going to give us objective truth and not just 500 echo chambers?
You completely ignored the article, because it answers your question directly.
Those seem to be the same criticism almost everyone levels at the org, and that are more or less intrinsic to an open platform. mainly that anyone can edit it. How does federation solve these issues, seems to me it would make them much much worse.
Dude admitted higher up that it’s not the code, it’s the people in charge who are the problem. So all they’re really advocating for is starting their own Wikipedia. But of course, theirs will be “the real truth” when in actuality we will just end up with another version.
Fedipedia?
I wouldn’t worry about a mascot so much as making the name instantly recognizable as an online encyclopedia. Keep it simple.
That’s a horrible name for multiple reasons, least among which that it sounds like “stinky-pedia” in portuguese.
Sounds like furry stuff
Yes the mascot is not mandatory, thats why I said bonus points. Fedipedia is too boring though, and too similar to Wikipedia.
Wiki McWikface
Ibis ? Each article would be a parchment of knowledge. Check the myth and legends section : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_sacred_ibis
I like this, although it feels a bit too short.
I tried combining it with other words but none felt correct. Maybe " Ibis’s library" as a nod to “Anna’s archive”
The more I think about it, the more I like the name. Here is the freshly renamed repo, but its not released yet so 🤫
Encyclopedia is “general education”, referring to its broad scope. Wikipedia added wiki as a reference to the source, so the best one would be {source}pedia.
Fedepedia isn’t awful but feels… bland, in my opinion.
Something like consolidate is a good synonym for it, but consolipedia also doesn’t feel right to me, so if we’re not referring to the federated part, we’d have to refer to the decentralized part. Decentropedia is fairly decent, but I’m fond of Micropedia, because the root word is very common, and I feel it’s catchier than decentropedia. Either of those are good though.
I think decentralization mostly shines in sharing. Comunopedia would obviously do what I’m thinking but I bet there’s some who would feel scared of it.
Sadly, too many would be afraid to be a good name. Sets itself up as a target.
“word scary” is probably the most annoying crowd.
Naming an ideally unbiased reference source after an economic model that has a storied political past doesn’t make sense.
You do understand that “communism” comes from the root “communal”, meaning belonging to a commune, i.e. a group of people sharing a social scope, right?
Absolutely. It’s also a known economic model with a storied history.
Sorry, but it’s name clash.
Absolutely. It’s also a known economic model with a storied history.
Sorry, but it’s name clash.
A few animal-inspired names that I think have a nice ring to them
- Dodopedia (extinct like Mastadons, similar vowel rhythm to “wiki”)
- Hippopedia
- Komodopedia
I like “Escargot”, because snails are cute and it rhymes with “Margot”.
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I’ve expressed this before, but there needs to be a federated alternative to challenge Fandom, especially after they bought out every single independent wiki like Memory-Alpha and WowWiki, and then filled them with ads.
Some ideas: Fediwiki, Wikiverse, PlanetWiki…
But its also a good idea to use codenames and go with an animal mascot like we did with lemmy, because you never know if the scope of your project will change (either limiting it, or expanding it).
Also fediverse.observer has a bigger list of software.
Ourpedia
Keep your laws off of MyPedia
Wikifedia, Fediwiki?
Clusterfuckipedia
Thothpedia, with a little chibi thoth as the mascot. Thoth is the god of writing.
Wikiverse
