President Joe Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning amid heavy bombardment of Gaza. … “This is the most conservative government in Israel’s history,” Biden said, adding that the Israeli government “doesn’t want a two-state solution.”
It’s mind-blowing how thoroughly Netanyahu has bungled this. They had damn near the entire world in full support after Hamas’ horrific attack on Israeli civilians, and they’ve managed to lose it.
Like every other time a headline makes it sound like Biden is criticizing Israel’s government, that’s not what this is.
“We’ll continue to provide military assistance to Israel until they get rid of Hamas, but we have to be careful – they have to be careful,” Biden said. “The whole world’s public opinion can shift overnight, we can’t let that happen.”
For literal decades now Biden has been telling Israel that they need to pay attention to optics if they want support to continue.
It’s never a threat, because Biden always pledges support no matter what.
He doesn’t have any issues with Israels actions over there. He’s just worried the governments of other countries may face pressure from their citizens to stop funding genocides.
He doesn’t want the genocide to stop, he wants Israel to be discrete and maintain plausible deniability
deleted by creator
He’s about as progressive as can be without losing a national election.
What’s the last democrat who ran a progressive general campaign?
Obama was the closest we’ve had in decades, and he flipped a shit ton of “red” states despite the undeniable amount of racism he faced.
His second term after people found out he wasn’t really a progressive?
Much tighter race.
Progressives tend to lose in the primary, you know, “private affair by a private party” that party leaders can influence as much as they want because the whole thing isn’t even technically an election.
So anyone that just keeps repeating “a progressive can’t win a general” doesn’t actually know. They’re just repeating the bullshit that moderate politicians tell them. And of course they’re gonna say that, if we start sending progressives to generals and they start winning…
People are going to start asking out loud why we waste a dem cycle with a moderate who’s unwilling to tax the rich, which would solve the vast amount of our countries issues.
The fear of being labelled an antisemite has worked very well for silencing opposition for decades now. I guess Bibi thought that tactic would continue to work no matter how vile his government and military acts.
Oops.
It worked (and works) to head off criticism of the Israeli government because so much of the time there are antisemites whose supposed criticism of the government is there to mask hate.
But Netanyahu isn’t Judaism. He’s just a guy, and as a fallible human being he has made enormous errors of judgment and engaged in ludicrously unethical behavior.
It’s less effective because it’s a classic example of the boy who cried wolf. If you’re grouping people who are appalled by Israel’s conduct with actual antisemites then the accusation of antisemitism loses credibility.
I no longer even recognize the word. It has no meaning any more. The funniest part is that it’s the liberal left that destroyed it. We’ve always known that the fascist right hates Jews; now thanks to the whiney liberal left we don’t fucking care any more.
The funniest part is that it’s the liberal left that destroyed it.
I don’t really see how. Surely it’s the people slinging that word around to try and shut people up that destroyed it?
Because liberals and some leftists are also Zionists.
deleted by creator
Probably because it’s a colony state, acting like a colony state. Oppressing the locals and acting like the victim when the locals inevitably lash out. Then using that as an excuse to take more land.
Ethnostates are inherently immoral, regardless of which race they are. Everyone should be treated equally under the law, regardless of race. Nobody should be a 2nd class citizen, apartheid is immoral.
And that’s all before counting the ongoing genocide.
deleted by creator
In Israel, citizens are equal. Muslims and others have the same rights as Jews.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-rights-watch/
It is an ethnostate, by definition it does not treat people equally.
You also conveniently ignored the fact that they are committing genocide.
That’s not what Zionism means
deleted by creator
It means an ever-expanding state of Israel with zero regard for borders or neighboring nations. It is the root of all the violence, oppression, mistreatment, and downright murder of Palestinian people including their women and children. And I for one am fucking sick of paying for it.
I’d love it if we could stop propping up Netanyahu’s apartheid regime and instead give a bunch of military support to a cause that actually needs and deserves it… like Ukraine.
In the context of US politics, this whole clusterfuck is a MASSIVE unforced error by Biden. The only people he’s appeasing are almost exclusively already on the right wing, and they’re never going to vote for him. I’m becoming more concerned by the day that his handling of the Israel/Gaza war may in fact cost him the election.
Military Industrial Complex GOTS to get paid.
This is why you never vote for career politicians for higher office.
The alternative being political outsiders like Trump.
Maybe the problem is the electoral system that rejects a 3rd party option.
Well, that, and the fact that a while ago we renamed bribery to “lobbying”, so now it’s perfectly legal, just as long as you jump through the right hoops in the right way.
Trump wasn’t an outsider. He literally campaigned on making politicians do his will by paying them. He boasted about it while some of his primary contenders were openly upset that they didnt receive enough money from him.
Trump was NOT an outsider.
bro my cousin is stationed in the middle east and i find it scary that you would rather help non americans
We dont have bases in ukraine
Explain to me - specifically which Americans I should want to be helping instead? And which non-Americans should I be specifically disregarding?
Not you
Biden 🦅🇺🇸
I still don’t understand how you could have possibly thought I was wishing ill fortune on your cousin by saying that Israel doesn’t really need our help here and there are better places our resources could be going
You are right comrade
Shipmate, as an active-duty submariner, you realize that the Israelis aren’t Americans, right? Sending money to the IDF doesn’t help your cousin on the ground. You of all people should also understand that the Ukraine front is an actual strategic conflict, and sending our retired equipment already marked for demolition to them instead is a strategic maneuver that’s entirely in accordance with all governing directives. Why don’t you ask your cousin about the actual boots-on-ground strategic picture instead of making assumptions.
Your brother is a fucking moron for signing up to join an obviously imperialist force that uses him for profit.
By now everyone should know that the US military does not do anything that is related to defense. I have no sympathy for recruits.
Absolutely
American soldiers in the Middle East are some of the best equipped soldiers on Planet Earth. They’re good.
How he can say something like: "Biden said right now Israel “has most of the world supporting it,” "
Wtf is the UN veto for then?
Northern Europe are still in Zionist control but they’ve lost Southern Europe already.
Also Biden said he will always support israel no matter what, he’s just talking about the rest of the world, especially Europe, changing their mind over the genocide.
The UN is “one nation one vote” and a majority of nations in the UN have very few people in them, comparatively.
It’s quite easy for totalitarian/authoritarian/extremist governments to shove votes through the UN by banding together.
deleted by creator
Just going to point out that if your side killed more journalists in this “war” than the two decades of the Vietnam war… Maybe you’re the fucking bad guy.
Was the mortality of journalists during the vietnam war that significant? Sorry, im not an american and i only learned about vietnam through movies.
Vietnam and Gaza literally could not be more different places or conflicts.
Explain
Vietnam is first in every comparison, Israel/Hamas second:
Primarily rural and/or jungle environment vs Dense urban environment
Regular army with decades of experience vs fighting a terrorist force
NVA wanted to hold and occupy territory vs Hamas wanting to just kill, with no political objective to defeat them by
Sociopolitical conflict vs religious extremists
Clear divide of combatants vs non-combatants during mass conflict (i.e. not the random insurgent acts) vs confusion of civilian-laced battlefield
Technology of media being extremely limited vs extremely mobile
Local populace that wants the war and supports the stronger force vs populace that either outright hates you or is too oppressed to express support
Another big one:
The Americans were fighting the North Vietnamese on Vietnamese soil thousands of miles from home and with no real skin in the game. Also, the North Vietnamese had massive support from other close-by Communist regimes who could feed men and materiel into Vietnam from the north. In contrast, Israel is fighting right on its own border and basically has Hamas surrounded with little possibility of game-changing further aid from outside Gaza.
You got the “jungle” part accurate about Vietnam…
And that media is more mobile these days.
Tends to happen when instead of targeting terrorists you just indiscriminately genocide a population.
Well, apparently the IDF has been killing so many Israelis (IDF and civilian) that their government just said investigating any of those deaths would be detrimental to stability among Israelis.
https://lemmy.world/post/9481629
They’re just going to pretend all those deaths are due to Hamas, so that Netanyahu 's government isn’t held accountable and people don’t vote in sensible politicians who actually want the violence to end.
Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning
Thing is, he later went on to say “I am a Zionist.” So while he’s trying to play both sides in the end he’ll keep sending your money to kill Palestinian children for as long as there are Palestinian children to murder.
What Genocide Joe says is that he will ALWAYS support israel’s Genocide no matter what, but that they’re starting to lose Europe and the rest of the world.
deleted by creator
Yes of course. Israel actually fulfilled every single of the five ways to commit genocide.
deleted by creator
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.deleted by creator
Israel is holding like 4000 hostages they kidnapped without any process from the west bank.
"The goal is damage not accuracy " are literal IDF words on bombing Gaza.
They targeted infrastructure and cut off food and water.
They have blocked ambulances to hospitals to force women to miscarry even before oct7
They have kidnapped children for multiple years and tortured them in prison.
Have you been living under a rock?
Why not “no more fucking money until you’re out of power”?
trump was impeached for witholding funds to ukraine. It would be funny to see them impeach biden for withholding funds to israel.
The difference is, Trump did so for personal political gain. Netanyahu’s government is killing thousands of palestinian civilians, which is genocide. Coercing a foreign nation to stop genociding people is a good thing.
yes I agree, I just think Biden is a little too tepid to do it. Dark Brandon could, but I haven’t seen him lately.
They should hire more people to be annoying in comment threads where people are having a nuanced discussion about the war. The whole world loves it when 2 day old accounts try sealioning everyone without even bothering to upload profile pictures.
Just like “israel needs to show restraint while they destroy the homes and livelihoods of 2 million people”.
deleted by creator
Hamas got exactly what they wanted out of the October 7th attacks, a horrifying display of callous violence and aggression against innocent people. A terrorist attack does not justify a genocide.
Quite true. Given the reality on the ground, it’s a guaranteed clusterfuck no matter what policy the United States adopts.
Is this the part where they pick one person to take the blame then, after switching him out, continuing with business as usual? Obviously biden doesn’t disapprove, hence the $100+ billion he has pledged in full support of the genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Be the change, Bibi
deleted by creator
