I’m going to assume you’re quite young and try to delve into some of what you’re trying to explore here.
I find politics to be very important if not the most important factor in choosing a long term partner.
With the divergence we’ve seen on both ends of the political spectrum, centrist doesn’t mean anything anymore. It only a meaningful application when the Overton window is narrow. It was narrower 20 to 30 years ago. Now it’s so wide that when someone tells me they’re centrist it usually means they’re politically disengaged, indecisive and/or noncommittal which can be red flags when looking for a long term partner.
Voting third party is not a problem if you can back that up with a legitimate worldview beyond being nonconformist for the sake of feeling unique.
I see that you’re noticing trends. That’s perfectly ok, we all do. Just make sure you stay humble enough to know that the number of data points you have will always make your perspective anecdotal. Avoid saying these people are like this, especially when you run the risk of being dismissive or dehumanizing, because the reality is you don’t know all people in that group. When you meet an individual, see them as an individual, as unique, sophisticated and varied as you are.
You’ve attempted to describe women with liberal and conservative worldviews but have managed to do so in a fairly crass and dismissive way. This is actually kind of impressive since usually its one side describing the other in an unflattering manner but because you are “centrist” you’ve managed to berate both.
This is what many describe as the “South Park” effect. Staying in the middle, critiquing both sides to feel superior about yourself while standing for little to nothing on your own. Its actually very detrimental to political discourse since it prioritizes self over looking for ways to uplift society as a collective.
Your conclusions come across as overly superficial. Instead of trying to paint in such broad strokes, try to understand people on a deeper more meaningful level. Be humble, respectful and curious about the world and people.
You’re being criticized heavily but the reality is many of us thought with simple pattern based heurisitics when we were younger. Its the most common way of thinking when we’re teenagers and young adults.
What’s remarkable is many people don’t mature beyond this over the course of an entire lifetime. Don’t be one of those people. Life is better when you go deeper.
Since you’re centrist I don’t know if you agree with me on this but I believe that women, our LGBT brothers and sisters, and people of all racial and national background are people. For that reason I strongly believe that their rights are indeed human rights. In modern political discourse that makes me leftist but its beyond labels for me. For me, its part of what makes me human.
I find politics to be very important if not the most important factor in choosing a long term partner.
Noticing trends, I feel like people who say this have limited experience in close relationships with people of widely disparate views. I personally would hate to date someone who agrees with me on most things. Not only because it would be boring, but because it would be hard to learn and grow from them.
I see what you’re saying but I think when you really get to know a person you’d be hard pressed to find two that overlap so much that theres nothing they can learn from each other. At least that’s what I’ve experienced. Certain beliefs / viewpoints are so fundamental to how we view the world that they are absolute deal breakers / nonnegotiable for me (for example, human rights, as I’ve mentioned above) in the context of a long term relationship. That isn’t a denial of the other person’s ability to grow per se, just that if I’m going to invest so much in another person, they have to be able to see humanity in all and I don’t think its constructive for us to be a relationship if they don’t at least have the potential to get there.
I see what you’re saying but I think when you really get to know a person you’d be hard pressed to find two that overlap so much that theres nothing they can learn from each other.
No I agree completely, its just less interesting, and less opportunity.
In reality though, whether we mostly agree on most values(other than how they treat me and specific people I care about) does not have much of an impact in how I choose who date.
for example, human rights
The thing is, I think you, I, and basically everyone disagrees on what human rights are. It would be hard to date in much of the world if you believed in freedom of speech, or vice versa in other places.
they have to be able to see humanity in all
Again, I think in many places its hard to find people who do.
I don’t think its constructive for us to be a relationship if they don’t at least have the potential to get there.
I don’t see why someone having the same view of morality as me is necessary to have a relationship.
Dang, wow friend, you are on point in several places. First, thank you for responding in such a constructive manner and not devolving into ad hominem attacks. (which I can be guilty of sometimes).
when someone tells me they’re centrist it usually means they’re politically disengaged, indecisive and/or noncommittal which can be red flags when looking for a long term partner.
I think your on point here too. Kinda applies to me.
“You’ve attempted to describe women with liberal and conservative worldviews but have managed to do so in a fairly crass and dismissive way. This is actually kind of impressive since usually its one side describing the other in an unflattering manner but because you are “centrist” you’ve managed to berate both.”
This feels flattering. That was my intention, to denigrate equally. But maybe i shouldn’tdo that, it feels too cynical… seriously, I shouldnt do that, I should lift others up and not pull them down.
I find politics to be very important if not the most important factor in choosing a long term partner.
I dont believe that, but to each their own. I believe that they are important because what they represent, and what that they can tell us about a person. Its the moral implications of the policies that the politics enacted…
I dont know, Im super tired, have a migraine and need to stop this for now…
I’m going to assume you’re quite young and try to delve into some of what you’re trying to explore here.
I find politics to be very important if not the most important factor in choosing a long term partner.
With the divergence we’ve seen on both ends of the political spectrum, centrist doesn’t mean anything anymore. It only a meaningful application when the Overton window is narrow. It was narrower 20 to 30 years ago. Now it’s so wide that when someone tells me they’re centrist it usually means they’re politically disengaged, indecisive and/or noncommittal which can be red flags when looking for a long term partner.
Voting third party is not a problem if you can back that up with a legitimate worldview beyond being nonconformist for the sake of feeling unique.
I see that you’re noticing trends. That’s perfectly ok, we all do. Just make sure you stay humble enough to know that the number of data points you have will always make your perspective anecdotal. Avoid saying these people are like this, especially when you run the risk of being dismissive or dehumanizing, because the reality is you don’t know all people in that group. When you meet an individual, see them as an individual, as unique, sophisticated and varied as you are.
You’ve attempted to describe women with liberal and conservative worldviews but have managed to do so in a fairly crass and dismissive way. This is actually kind of impressive since usually its one side describing the other in an unflattering manner but because you are “centrist” you’ve managed to berate both.
This is what many describe as the “South Park” effect. Staying in the middle, critiquing both sides to feel superior about yourself while standing for little to nothing on your own. Its actually very detrimental to political discourse since it prioritizes self over looking for ways to uplift society as a collective.
Your conclusions come across as overly superficial. Instead of trying to paint in such broad strokes, try to understand people on a deeper more meaningful level. Be humble, respectful and curious about the world and people.
You’re being criticized heavily but the reality is many of us thought with simple pattern based heurisitics when we were younger. Its the most common way of thinking when we’re teenagers and young adults.
What’s remarkable is many people don’t mature beyond this over the course of an entire lifetime. Don’t be one of those people. Life is better when you go deeper.
Since you’re centrist I don’t know if you agree with me on this but I believe that women, our LGBT brothers and sisters, and people of all racial and national background are people. For that reason I strongly believe that their rights are indeed human rights. In modern political discourse that makes me leftist but its beyond labels for me. For me, its part of what makes me human.
Noticing trends, I feel like people who say this have limited experience in close relationships with people of widely disparate views. I personally would hate to date someone who agrees with me on most things. Not only because it would be boring, but because it would be hard to learn and grow from them.
I see what you’re saying but I think when you really get to know a person you’d be hard pressed to find two that overlap so much that theres nothing they can learn from each other. At least that’s what I’ve experienced. Certain beliefs / viewpoints are so fundamental to how we view the world that they are absolute deal breakers / nonnegotiable for me (for example, human rights, as I’ve mentioned above) in the context of a long term relationship. That isn’t a denial of the other person’s ability to grow per se, just that if I’m going to invest so much in another person, they have to be able to see humanity in all and I don’t think its constructive for us to be a relationship if they don’t at least have the potential to get there.
No I agree completely, its just less interesting, and less opportunity.
In reality though, whether we mostly agree on most values(other than how they treat me and specific people I care about) does not have much of an impact in how I choose who date.
The thing is, I think you, I, and basically everyone disagrees on what human rights are. It would be hard to date in much of the world if you believed in freedom of speech, or vice versa in other places.
Again, I think in many places its hard to find people who do.
I don’t see why someone having the same view of morality as me is necessary to have a relationship.
Dang, wow friend, you are on point in several places. First, thank you for responding in such a constructive manner and not devolving into ad hominem attacks. (which I can be guilty of sometimes).
I think your on point here too. Kinda applies to me.
“You’ve attempted to describe women with liberal and conservative worldviews but have managed to do so in a fairly crass and dismissive way. This is actually kind of impressive since usually its one side describing the other in an unflattering manner but because you are “centrist” you’ve managed to berate both.”
This feels flattering. That was my intention, to denigrate equally. But maybe i shouldn’tdo that, it feels too cynical… seriously, I shouldnt do that, I should lift others up and not pull them down.
I dont believe that, but to each their own. I believe that they are important because what they represent, and what that they can tell us about a person. Its the moral implications of the policies that the politics enacted…
I dont know, Im super tired, have a migraine and need to stop this for now…