I wanted to comment on fire ants for this (which are an invasive one). Anyone who has experienced fire ants would not feel sorry for a genocide on them.
I see you’re point, I was a bit hasty when saying there’s no good reason to make an exception.
I still do not agree with the argument that ‘Ants are a superorganism, so it’s not really a genocide’. For humans it’s a genocide, because we’re trying to describe a social crime within humanity. For everything else, extermination is communicating the same thing, but generically.
Technically it’s the same, but if we want to apply emotion to human genocide, then what word would we alternatively use to describe eradicating a colony of beings we don’t care enough about?
The term was literally coined in an analysis of human social interaction by Herbert Spencer in his book “Principles of Sociology”. The term was created to describe humanity.
You’re carrying out a similar fallacy by claiming use of the term in its original field is illigitimate in this argument. On top of that, right on the wikipedia page for Eusociality, it states that biologists such as E.O. Wilson have previously argued that humans are weakly eusocial, weakening your whole argument in the first place.
The concept of humans as super-organisms is explored in both sociology and biology, and i’d argue that that means humans fit the bill. Whatever no-true-Scotsman version you’ve been gate keeping with doesn’t even fully agree with the field you’re supposedly arguing on the behalf of.
Yeah, hearing about this technique for the first time was a ride. Like, yeah, it’s kind of cool? But also, you’re doing a genocide.
Invasive ants can overwhelm and genocide native ants.
A lot of the castings I’ve seen have specifically been done on invasive ants for this reason.
I wanted to comment on fire ants for this (which are an invasive one). Anyone who has experienced fire ants would not feel sorry for a genocide on them.
It’s impossible for fire ants to be invasive in general.
They’re invasive to SOMEWHERE. We don’t all live in the same neighbourhood.
Classic US defaultism. They often have problems understanding the concept of the world wide web.
They are invasive in most places except for a relatively small part of South America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_imported_fire_ant
TBH if you live somewhere where fire ants are native, MOVE.
I’m not going to let the ants win.
My immersion is ruined.
They’re more like a single superorganism.
So are humans. We still call mass killings of humans a genocide. There’s no really good reason to make an exception for ants.
You don’t think it cheapens the word “genocide” just a bit to lump an ant hill cast and the holocaust under the same umbrella term?
I see you’re point, I was a bit hasty when saying there’s no good reason to make an exception.
I still do not agree with the argument that ‘Ants are a superorganism, so it’s not really a genocide’. For humans it’s a genocide, because we’re trying to describe a social crime within humanity. For everything else, extermination is communicating the same thing, but generically.
Technically it’s the same, but if we want to apply emotion to human genocide, then what word would we alternatively use to describe eradicating a colony of beings we don’t care enough about?
Gonna be honest here.
I dont care enough to have a whole ass word.
No collective of humans is a superorganism by a longshot.
The term was literally coined in an analysis of human social interaction by Herbert Spencer in his book “Principles of Sociology”. The term was created to describe humanity.
From the 19th century, who coined term super-organic.
It has practically nothing to do with the biological concept involving eusociality. So, no, humans aren’t eusocial creatures: etymological fallacy.
You’re carrying out a similar fallacy by claiming use of the term in its original field is illigitimate in this argument. On top of that, right on the wikipedia page for Eusociality, it states that biologists such as E.O. Wilson have previously argued that humans are weakly eusocial, weakening your whole argument in the first place.
The concept of humans as super-organisms is explored in both sociology and biology, and i’d argue that that means humans fit the bill. Whatever no-true-Scotsman version you’ve been gate keeping with doesn’t even fully agree with the field you’re supposedly arguing on the behalf of.
Yes, if you are dumb about it. Actual scientists doing this use abandoned colonies or move the colony first.