If you don’t like that, and you shouldn’t, show up to your local meetings regularly, not just two weeks before the primary, and encourage other like minded people to do so. Doing that allows you to get the better candidates recommended in the voting guide, canvas for them, phone bank for them, etc. I’ll be there waiting. In my precinct it would only take 3-4 people to tip the balance from corpo Dems to progressives, and maybe even an actual leftist, for local office and state legislative candidates. Start local and trickle up.
Or if you’re already doing that, thanks and keep doing it.
But until those efforts bear fruit, when faced with a binary choice please pick the less bad one.
Sorry. I’m not sure if you noticed. But you didn’t address the person who asked you if you’re showing up to meetings, canvassing, phone banking, or anything at all, to help try to make a 3rd party viable by winning local/state elections so they can start getting members in Congress so they can have some sort of remote chance of winning the presidency.
Because anyone that votes 3rd party and ISN’T doing those things AND is whining online about a binary system, should probably be quiet and stay out of the conversation.
Oh no, I addressed him. You just don’t like how I made it clear that what he is doing is a waste of time.
It’s okay, keep thinking that wasting your time is doing something when it’s really doing nothing. Keep getting mad at people online because they dare to say that what you’re doing only exists to make you feel good about yourself.
I don’t expect these problems to get solved. There are too many useful idiots focused on too many useless things in order to solve them.
Those people aren’t the left, they’re the fucking problem.
Show up locally with other leftists, or at least progressives, outnumber the corpo Dems, and change the party from the ground up. Leaving the party in the hands of the people who currently run it and complaining about the candidates they put forward isn’t going to do you any good.
Right. I’ll call them “democrats” instead of people on the left.
Now hopefully you can understand my point better.
They don’t want to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have a fascist in office than a socialist.
What you’re suggesting is actually a load of bullshit to make you think you’re having an impact when you’re really not. I’m sorry, it’s the truth and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can stop wasting your time and focus on something that’s more effective.
The far-right did it. The people of New York did it.
The far-right spent 20-30 years doing it. They started with the smallest elections where the fewest number of people could have an impact, city council, school boards, etc. They consolidated their power and moved on to things like small city mayors and state legislatures. Then large cities and the U.S. house. Then Governor and Senate. Then the fucking presidency.
You think support for Mamdani materialized out of thin fucking air? The locals did it. Despite the state and national parties trying to rat fuck him. Get enough local elected officials in New York state like Mamdani, the state party won’t try to rat fuck them any more, because they will be the state party.
Do you think the left is lazier than the far-right? Do you think they’re dumber? I don’t. I think they’ve been discouraged by people like you and I try to push back.
You could stop discouraging people and help me push back. Or you could just keep doing nothing and whining about the results.
Don’t allow “democrats” to continue to mean corpo Dems. Make it mean leftists and progressives. Or just keep whining.
They didn’t, though. Ever since the Rush Limbaugh era, Republicans have always been voting against Democrats because they’re Democrats.
You can keep patting yourself on the back for doing nothing of use and getting mad at anyone who points it out, but it won’t change anything.
There needs to be a cultural shift, and democrats have shown time and time again that they do not want to solve these problems because they don’t want to pay more in taxes.
History has taught us that revolutions often lead to worse situations because no one had plans for what happens after the revolution and then the grifters and bad actors fill the void.
The cultural shift is reforming the Democrat party to be more progressive. That takes time and for knuckledraggers to realize that not voting or voting for non-viable 3rd parties makes that less likely to happen.
Are you dense? The Republicans have not been stable, they’ve been taken over by the far-right. The R’s that R’s vote for for because they’re not D’s have become increasingly far-right due to decades of grass roots efforts. Meanwhile the left and progressives have allowed D’s to drift until they resemble Eisenhower Republicans, or even Nixonians.
Help move the Democrats left or stop whining about the very predictable results of your passivity.
I’m probably waiting my breath. You seem like the type that just likes impotently screaming into the void.
Thanks, it was more about not letting his doomer shit sit there unchallenged. If 1 or 2 people saw the exchange and said “roscoe is right, I’m going to go volunteer and try to get a little Mamdani elected to my city council,” I’ve done my good deed for the day.
If you don’t like that, and you shouldn’t, show up to your local meetings regularly, not just two weeks before the primary, and encourage other like minded people to do so. Doing that allows you to get the better candidates recommended in the voting guide, canvas for them, phone bank for them, etc. I’ll be there waiting. In my precinct it would only take 3-4 people to tip the balance from corpo Dems to progressives, and maybe even an actual leftist, for local office and state legislative candidates. Start local and trickle up.
Or if you’re already doing that, thanks and keep doing it.
But until those efforts bear fruit, when faced with a binary choice please pick the less bad one.
The problem is that even people on the left, who should be the good guys, don’t want to solve these issues.
They’d rather have fascism than socialism because they don’t want to pay more in taxes.
This is why they’re all cool with perpetuating a culture war at the expense of the class war.
Sorry. I’m not sure if you noticed. But you didn’t address the person who asked you if you’re showing up to meetings, canvassing, phone banking, or anything at all, to help try to make a 3rd party viable by winning local/state elections so they can start getting members in Congress so they can have some sort of remote chance of winning the presidency.
Because anyone that votes 3rd party and ISN’T doing those things AND is whining online about a binary system, should probably be quiet and stay out of the conversation.
Oh no, I addressed him. You just don’t like how I made it clear that what he is doing is a waste of time.
It’s okay, keep thinking that wasting your time is doing something when it’s really doing nothing. Keep getting mad at people online because they dare to say that what you’re doing only exists to make you feel good about yourself.
I don’t expect these problems to get solved. There are too many useful idiots focused on too many useless things in order to solve them.
and yet you write comments?
You wasted your own time in order to waste my time. bye.
You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying.
Those people aren’t the left, they’re the fucking problem.
Show up locally with other leftists, or at least progressives, outnumber the corpo Dems, and change the party from the ground up. Leaving the party in the hands of the people who currently run it and complaining about the candidates they put forward isn’t going to do you any good.
Right. I’ll call them “democrats” instead of people on the left.
Now hopefully you can understand my point better.
They don’t want to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have a fascist in office than a socialist.
What you’re suggesting is actually a load of bullshit to make you think you’re having an impact when you’re really not. I’m sorry, it’s the truth and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can stop wasting your time and focus on something that’s more effective.
Want to elaborate? Lot of whining coming from you. Not a lot of details.
Yeah, you’re an idiot.
Part of changing culture is making sure that people like you see different ideas.
Go ahead, keep whining about whining like a little bitch.
The far-right did it. The people of New York did it.
The far-right spent 20-30 years doing it. They started with the smallest elections where the fewest number of people could have an impact, city council, school boards, etc. They consolidated their power and moved on to things like small city mayors and state legislatures. Then large cities and the U.S. house. Then Governor and Senate. Then the fucking presidency.
You think support for Mamdani materialized out of thin fucking air? The locals did it. Despite the state and national parties trying to rat fuck him. Get enough local elected officials in New York state like Mamdani, the state party won’t try to rat fuck them any more, because they will be the state party.
Do you think the left is lazier than the far-right? Do you think they’re dumber? I don’t. I think they’ve been discouraged by people like you and I try to push back.
You could stop discouraging people and help me push back. Or you could just keep doing nothing and whining about the results.
Don’t allow “democrats” to continue to mean corpo Dems. Make it mean leftists and progressives. Or just keep whining.
They didn’t, though. Ever since the Rush Limbaugh era, Republicans have always been voting against Democrats because they’re Democrats.
You can keep patting yourself on the back for doing nothing of use and getting mad at anyone who points it out, but it won’t change anything.
There needs to be a cultural shift, and democrats have shown time and time again that they do not want to solve these problems because they don’t want to pay more in taxes.
Herp derp? Like a revolution?
Lol.
Not happening.
History has taught us that revolutions often lead to worse situations because no one had plans for what happens after the revolution and then the grifters and bad actors fill the void.
The cultural shift is reforming the Democrat party to be more progressive. That takes time and for knuckledraggers to realize that not voting or voting for non-viable 3rd parties makes that less likely to happen.
You’re right. It’s definitely not happening.
We don’t want to solve these issues, so they don’t get solved.
Continue convincing yourself that you’re solving them by going to meetings or whatever. All our political system responds to is money.
Are you dense? The Republicans have not been stable, they’ve been taken over by the far-right. The R’s that R’s vote for for because they’re not D’s have become increasingly far-right due to decades of grass roots efforts. Meanwhile the left and progressives have allowed D’s to drift until they resemble Eisenhower Republicans, or even Nixonians.
Help move the Democrats left or stop whining about the very predictable results of your passivity.
I’m probably waiting my breath. You seem like the type that just likes impotently screaming into the void.
Dude is a troll. I commend your patience tho.
Thanks, it was more about not letting his doomer shit sit there unchallenged. If 1 or 2 people saw the exchange and said “roscoe is right, I’m going to go volunteer and try to get a little Mamdani elected to my city council,” I’ve done my good deed for the day.
Yeah, you’re nuts.
Trump was propped up by Russian interference, not any grassroots bullshit going on in the states.
I’m going to ignore you now. People like you just love to argue rather than admit you’re wasting your time on bullshit.
Keep being stupid.