Yeah, even if there were a whole section of the bible describing god as a woman people would still fight you for even suggesting that they’re not 100% man.
I was pondering altering my post to “(Most of) the people” but honestly, from what I know, I don’t think the people considering the Christian god anything other than manly masculine male are a significantly large group to have any effect on anything. At some point it’s impossible to take any and all aberrations into account if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
In your last comment you said “this deity” and that includes Christians with different views on God. But if you ment it in the sense of a very masculine conceptualization, I misunderstood and totally agree
The Father, God, is referred to as “He” consistently thousands of times in modern translations of the Bible, and he’s either literally or metaphorically “the Father”.
The Son, Jesus, is unambiguously male in his earthly incarnation, and he’s either literally or metaphorically “the Son”.
The Holy Spirit is referred to as masculine in English translations of the Bible, while Greek translations treat the Spirit more like an object-force-of-nature type whose pronouns change at any time to coincide with the type of object describing it (e.g. “comforter” is masculine, but “spirit” is neutral) and Hebrew just sticks with the feminine pronoun of the noun “spirit”.
If you read a modern English version of the Bible, you have three entities in one which all are all consistently identified as masculine. Trying to treat God as non-binary with regard to modern English translations is more mental gymnastics than arguing why Kris Dreemurr isn’t non-binary.
Given this is all fiction, it’s safe to say that death of the author is in play here, namely that 99.99% of the modern Christians who’d get offended at non-binary people existing would also not think of God as non-binary even after pondering on it, because their culture and holy book categorically treat God as masculine.
I don’t dispute the male attributes. The superposition of gendered entities is what someone could argue makes God not just “a male” but rather “multiple males in one”. Is there any history of people with dissociative identity disorder (DID) identifying as some level of not-straight on the basis of their DID? Are there any other analogous cases that have been linked to identifying as not one of the two main genders due to a level of plurality?
We do not have DID, but we are plural. Some of us are female, some male, some nonbinary.
Each of us identifies as our own respective gender. But what gender is a community? We submit that even groups consisting of a single gender are not considered to have a group gender. A sorority’s membership may be entirely comprised of women, but is the sorority itself considered female?
Ignoring for a second all the controversy around the term “two-spirit”, even if we say that two-spirit is the extremely Western concept – detached from indigenous culture – of a male and female in the same body (or even just generically two genders in one body), that still doesn’t apply, because all of the entities are male. In set theory, if you keep adding the same element to the set over and over, the set doesn’t change.
Moreover, even if there were the kind of history you’re talking about, I’m not sure why dissociative identity disorder is being brought up here, because that categorically isn’t how God as multiple entities works within the fiction of the Bible. We see God and Jesus talking to each other back and forth multiple times, and that’s not how DID works. DID – a controversial diagnosis – isn’t a sitcom where two flatmates hang out inside your mind and banter. You’re dissociating so badly that you lose continuity, but God is clearly able to work as all three just fine at the same time.
God is three entities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That sounds like an extension of the nonbinarism of Two Spirit to me.
Yahweh was always a dude and even had a wife before these new age cultists wrote her out of the story. Typical.
Ashera was not completely erased but to a degree merged with her husband and therefore gave him female and arguably non binary features
The people believing in this deity today don’t think so and you won’t convince them otherwise.
Yeah, even if there were a whole section of the bible describing god as a woman people would still fight you for even suggesting that they’re not 100% man.
God is described as a nurturing mother sometimes
Those people aren’t a monolith. Some do think so
I was pondering altering my post to “(Most of) the people” but honestly, from what I know, I don’t think the people considering the Christian god anything other than manly masculine male are a significantly large group to have any effect on anything. At some point it’s impossible to take any and all aberrations into account if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
In your last comment you said “this deity” and that includes Christians with different views on God. But if you ment it in the sense of a very masculine conceptualization, I misunderstood and totally agree
RIP Asherah. #neverforget
If you read a modern English version of the Bible, you have three entities in one which all are all consistently identified as masculine. Trying to treat God as non-binary with regard to modern English translations is more mental gymnastics than arguing why Kris Dreemurr isn’t non-binary.
Given this is all fiction, it’s safe to say that death of the author is in play here, namely that 99.99% of the modern Christians who’d get offended at non-binary people existing would also not think of God as non-binary even after pondering on it, because their culture and holy book categorically treat God as masculine.
I don’t dispute the male attributes. The superposition of gendered entities is what someone could argue makes God not just “a male” but rather “multiple males in one”. Is there any history of people with dissociative identity disorder (DID) identifying as some level of not-straight on the basis of their DID? Are there any other analogous cases that have been linked to identifying as not one of the two main genders due to a level of plurality?
We do not have DID, but we are plural. Some of us are female, some male, some nonbinary.
Each of us identifies as our own respective gender. But what gender is a community? We submit that even groups consisting of a single gender are not considered to have a group gender. A sorority’s membership may be entirely comprised of women, but is the sorority itself considered female?
Ignoring for a second all the controversy around the term “two-spirit”, even if we say that two-spirit is the extremely Western concept – detached from indigenous culture – of a male and female in the same body (or even just generically two genders in one body), that still doesn’t apply, because all of the entities are male. In set theory, if you keep adding the same element to the set over and over, the set doesn’t change.
Moreover, even if there were the kind of history you’re talking about, I’m not sure why dissociative identity disorder is being brought up here, because that categorically isn’t how God as multiple entities works within the fiction of the Bible. We see God and Jesus talking to each other back and forth multiple times, and that’s not how DID works. DID – a controversial diagnosis – isn’t a sitcom where two flatmates hang out inside your mind and banter. You’re dissociating so badly that you lose continuity, but God is clearly able to work as all three just fine at the same time.