• RedditIsALostCause@lemmy.world
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    1 天前

    No First Amendment rights over there. What a shame. I’m grateful for the ever-so-increasingly-restricted freedom of speech and protest we have here in the States.

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      France burns the country to the ground when the government tries to raise the retirement age or take away from the 2 months of vacation they have, you all rolled over like dogs and let an incontinent, senile old rapist turn your country out.

      Maybe shut the fuck up

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        And I commend them for it. They can do that because their country hasn’t undergone decades of police militarization like in the U.S.

        France seems to be going out by death by a thousands cuts while retaining their right to burn down the city; in contrast, the U.S. retains the right to small oppositions and protest while large-scale ones tend to get the full force of the militarized police state. Pick your poison I guess.

        I’d hardly say we rolled over like dogs considering there are regular protests with significant turn-out here — they’re just not covered by the media because it would hurt the oligarchs/corporate overlords in their quest for domination.

        Further, there’s more than a little bit of evidence that strongly suggests our election was tampered with and that Russia has been in the mix for a while now.

        America is in a bad way yes, but until quite literally this year we were doing decent.

        Maybe consider the position of the average good-natured American rather than assume they’re all fat and stupid people who want the leader we currently have?

        Maybe you should shut up and think for a second before being so aggressive?

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          I’d hardly say we rolled over like dogs considering there are regular protests with significant turn-out here

          Well your protests/parades are doing exactly zilch, so I’d suggest you learn from the French before it’s too late.

          America is in a bad way yes, but until quite literally this year we were doing decent.

          See, that’s your problem right there. (Mostly white) Moderate middle class America was doing decent, everyone else was absolutely not. That’s why Trump got elected in the first place and why he has so much popular support.

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            And what, pray-tell, do you suggest we learn from the French that we currently don’t practice?

            I also find it interesting that you insinuate to not be from the U.S. but claim to know the demographics of who is doing decent and how well they were doing. I know plenty of asian, black, and hispanic people who were/are just as wealthy as white people, more righting-leaning than white people, and/or otherwise voted for Trump.

            Ignoring that weird tangent you went on, quite literally everyone was doing better before Trump so long as you weren’t the wealthy elite (who are now even better than before), so functionally, by comparison, yes, America was doing decent across the board regardless of race, gender, class etc. What are you even trying to say?

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              I know plenty of asian, black, and hispanic people who were/are just as wealthy as white people, more righting-leaning than white people, and/or otherwise voted for Trump.

              Ah, yes, anecdotes. Everyone knows these are as valid as cold, hard data.

              by comparison, yes, America was doing decent across the board regardless of race, gender, class etc. What are you even trying to say?

              That this is not what “decent” means. Attempting to ad-hoc in a “by comparison” is a cop-out, because that’s literally not what you said. Things going from bad to worse is no excuse to call the bad state “decent.” George Floyd did not happen under Trump.

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          I don’t feel terribly inclined to consider the opinions of someone who says “France doesn’t have the first amendment”

          This has been visible for years and building over decades, America in general chose for this to happen.

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            Okay buddy 👍 if you’re incapable of thinking just say so.

            There’s plenty wrong with America, but as someone who doesn’t take part in any religion, I appreciate and demand the right to be able to protest or otherwise denounce religions that are morally reprehensible. Islam is one of those, some sects of Christianity as well - namely Mormonism which is functionally the Islam of Christianity lol.

            Part of why America has become the way it is, is due to the rampant hesitancy at opposing the fascist/authoritarian nature of religions such as Christianity. Seems America will become a Christian hellscape, France appears to be going down the Islamic hellscape.

            Doesn’t change my point that freedom of speech/protest is important to resist the controlling nature of the religious disease.

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              You can protest in France, they kind of invented it.

              You can protest Islam in France too.

              You aren’t doing yourself any favours here

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              Doesn’t change my point that freedom of speech/protest is important to resist the controlling nature of the religious disease.

              Complete freedom of speech isn’t allowed in any other Western democracy.

              Saying we should kill all black people will get you jailed in mamy western nations, in the US it’s a rallying cry.

              Like the US Gun laws, you can look to other similar nations who do it differently to see if there are different outcomes.

              As to religion, is their a more secular western nation than France ? The US is infested with the putrid stench of religion every where you look, In God we trust ? FFS.

              There are any things to admire about the US I just can’t tthink of any right now

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                This is kind of the same ignorance as OP but from the other side.

                The us doesn’t have “complete freedom of speech” (even if we’re counting a USA where the first amendment still matters, aka not now)

                Other western democracies do not practice a “lesser form” of free speech than America.

                You are just American

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                “Saying we should kill all black people will get you jailed in mamy western nations, in the US it’s a rallying cry”

                First of all: many*

                I have lived in rural and suburban areas. I have also lived in right-leaning and left-leaning areas. I now live in a city.

                Your information must be outdated because never in my 30ish years living in the U.S. have I ever heard “We should kill all black people” let alone heard it used as a “rallying cry.” Be fuckin’ for real and get out of your fantasy land. You can’t even spell correctly, I won’t be engaging with you or your bad-faith arguments any further lol