Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn’t acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
Read my bio. I used to believe in those things. Now I kind of believe in nothing. With a small voice of hope in my head that I deeply deeply resent and wish to kill. That tiny voice of hope is partly why I come onto Lemmy though. Part of me wants to be wrong.
TBH, right now I’ve been focusing on just making more money, getting drunk at bars, and one night stands to distract myself. (Later about to be way more fun once I get my vasectomy done) Maybe a video game here and there. Putting my energy into just enjoying civilization’s final days as much as possible. I only get online and argue/despair about politics during slow periods at work.
I don’t value society as an intrinsic good: its only valuable in so far that it services the individuals contained within it. Society is extrinsically valuable. So talking about what society is doesn’t matter that much to me unless we’re talking about it as a means to that end.
If society needs some of its individuals to suffer more than they would without one in order to make it great: it is not a worthwhile endeavor. No one chooses to be born, no one owes society anything. Society in fact owes the individuals because by its very existence it must be natalist in nature.
That said, many people enjoy contribution to a greater societal project. Some people don’t. I think we should enable people to do what they want without allowing people to impose their expectations of themselves on others.
The short answer I already gave you in the final three sentences of my last response.
The much longer answer is a heavily automated UBI supported Mutualist economy, with government healthcare because of its inelastic demand. As well as partially a government run housing system (specific percentage unknown, maybe a 50% mandate) that hyper emphasizes and incentivizes urbanization and disincentivizes rural or suburban living. I think these things would make the world significantly happier and healthier for the individuals living within it and would foster community building that is less dependent on religion.
The basic idea here is a sustainable number of individuals already naturally want to build society up. Hell, I used to be arguably one of them before this latest election. But a small percentage of sociopaths will accumulate too much wealth and power and then become tyrants. A mandatory mutualist co-op economy largely prevents this if its structured correctly, but still enables the individualistic choice and free association that a market provides without a collectivist pressure on the individual to work on things the individual doesn’t give a fuck about.
Outside of that, I largely disagree with virtually all non-economic “social” laws or socially/collectively pressured expectations upon the individual. I disagree with communists because they see individual workers as economic units for the whole collective of workers and they structure their systems through that lens. I relate most with anarchists, but disagree with them that a state needs to be completely dismantled for various practical reasons.
But of course I’m talking economics. Foreign policy however seems to be the reason a lot of the left dropped Kamala Harris, on foreign policy I’m purely consequentialist. And I think a lot of the left completely dropped the ball and myopically focused on a singular emotionally charged conflict/tragedy and ignored the potential of far worse mass death to be added on top of it by permitting a fascist to win to own the libs because they’re cushy with Israel. This was completely moronic and I do not respect people who base their voting decision on it. (and enough did that it likely effected the result, though it is hard to know with certainty) Obviously its bad that Israel is slaughtering Palestinians and the liberals are failures (at best) at stopping that but the fascists are exactly the same but worse on causing death on level (and worse for Palestinians as well). The only other justification for refusing to vote is some form of accelerationism and I absolutely despise accelerationists because they expect people today to suffer en masse for a possible brighter future that probably wont ever come because misery and death don’t work as a catalyst for a better world. Seeing the individuals of today as tokens to sacrifice and suffer so “society” can one day be great is anathema to my ideology.
And even if someone voted for Kamala Harris, but worked as hard as possible to post online about how she personally wanted Palestinian babies to be turned into ash, they probably influenced enough people to not vote for her to functionally nullify their own vote anyway. So I also don’t respect such a person either.
But yeah, IDK. It doesn’t matter anymore. This is just me doing some intellectual masturbation. A better world within my lifetime has been obliterated. I’m fucked. We’re fucked. And my soft anti-natalism has become hard anti-natalism.
No shit you’re not trying to convince anyone to change their views. You’re engaging in a vapid self indulgent tantrum.
My main offense is taken by you pretending you’re holding out on us.
You need to shut the fuck up. Taking up all this oxygen in the room just to declare how smart you are and fuck everyone who isn’t you? And you segue into this from saying how mature you are??
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Make good on your threat to leave this kind of discussion to other people because you are an active detriment.
Hey look at me I have aged but I have not grown. My tears are precious. My anger is a guiding light. To what? Silence. Just listen to me dammit.
Holding out on you? Mature? Where the fuck did I say I was mature? I said I’ve been doing this shit a long time but I never used the word mature. What the fuck are you babbling about? I’m saying experienced, that’s not the same as maturity. Maturity is more of a social construct implying a wise and pro-social state.
Here’s the thing: Everytime I get into discussions with you fucking people (or watching discussions play out between you and other people on here) trying to pry out your actual stances are, you get pissy because you know they’re unhinged views and no one sane takes them seriously when they’re laid out on the table. Or you do what you are doing now: hyperfixate on the character of who you are arguing with, in this case me. I never claimed to have good character, I’ll embrace the fact that I’ve become a misanthrope because its true. I don’t give a fuck that you think I’m a bad person, we will never fucking meet. You believe bad people are good and good people are bad anyway so I don’t give a fuck about your tainted evaluation of my character. It doesn’t fucking matter to either of us I don’t know why you pretend. Well, I mean I do: cognitive dissonance and maybe propaganda purposes.
Notice how I more or stated the person’s views are delusional after insisting they come out with it though. I called them a coward because they obfuscated their beliefs to get them to just fucking come out with it. After they disclosed what they actually thought, I realized that I was basically potentially engaging with a flat earther equivalent set of arguments and told them I hated them for the consequences of their rhetoric.
What else needs to be said? That you guys decide to engage with me after implies that you think there is something to be gained in doing so. IDK why you don’t just block me if that isn’t the case.
Telling me to go away wont work. My job has too many boring moments and I got to fill that shit with something.
You can’t have so many consecutive posts where you say nothing on topic or of value and then expect people to read a whole chapter of your diary like this
I was talking about campists/tankie/.ml-user beliefs and propaganda tactics and how transparently dumb it all is. I don’t want to talk about me, you guys are the ones trying to make this about me.
Anyways, I’m sorry you struggle with reading. I thought you .ml users were all about reading big old texts written by autistics. Must be a terrible handicap in your social circle.
“you’re wrong and no I won’t say about what or articulate why, I’m just going to whine for literally a dozen paragraphs and if you don’t read them all then I’m gonna start throwing slurs”
welcome to dot world
Judge our enemies by the fact that it’s us that don’t like them
Dude what he posted was on another planet from me though. Do you argue with MAGA? Do you actually waste your time on debating Qanon? Do you waste time on perpetual motion machines?
Hey man I fucking love discourse, I love debate, but there is a line even for me. I only have so much mental energy or time.
EDIT: Also I think things are hopeless these days so I kind of just hate people now.
EDIT2: I also kind of just want things to be hopeless because I want a reason to stop caring. I’m tired of caring. I want to stop caring.
Qanon hasn’t been a thing for years. Why are you telling me you care when you haven’t left 2016?
You feel hopeless because you have no vision for the future. That’s downstream from having no ideology. You have no project so all you do is complain and whine. The answer for you is to make good on that ‘woe is me’ bullshit and actually have some humility. Because obviously you’re wrong about something and struggling with the contradictions. You’re going to have to figure your shit out.
Or just fully embrace the nihilism and be a fascist for real because that’s the road you’re on right now.
Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn’t acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
So what do you, like… Believe in?
Read my bio. I used to believe in those things. Now I kind of believe in nothing. With a small voice of hope in my head that I deeply deeply resent and wish to kill. That tiny voice of hope is partly why I come onto Lemmy though. Part of me wants to be wrong.
TBH, right now I’ve been focusing on just making more money, getting drunk at bars, and one night stands to distract myself. (Later about to be way more fun once I get my vasectomy done) Maybe a video game here and there. Putting my energy into just enjoying civilization’s final days as much as possible. I only get online and argue/despair about politics during slow periods at work.
Have you tried building something?
What is a society? What makes it work? How to start that shit? How to keep it going?
I don’t value society as an intrinsic good: its only valuable in so far that it services the individuals contained within it. Society is extrinsically valuable. So talking about what society is doesn’t matter that much to me unless we’re talking about it as a means to that end.
If society needs some of its individuals to suffer more than they would without one in order to make it great: it is not a worthwhile endeavor. No one chooses to be born, no one owes society anything. Society in fact owes the individuals because by its very existence it must be natalist in nature.
That said, many people enjoy contribution to a greater societal project. Some people don’t. I think we should enable people to do what they want without allowing people to impose their expectations of themselves on others.
Well what do you want from it and how would a thing that did that sustainably in ways that don’t disgust you look like?
The short answer I already gave you in the final three sentences of my last response.
The much longer answer is a heavily automated UBI supported Mutualist economy, with government healthcare because of its inelastic demand. As well as partially a government run housing system (specific percentage unknown, maybe a 50% mandate) that hyper emphasizes and incentivizes urbanization and disincentivizes rural or suburban living. I think these things would make the world significantly happier and healthier for the individuals living within it and would foster community building that is less dependent on religion.
The basic idea here is a sustainable number of individuals already naturally want to build society up. Hell, I used to be arguably one of them before this latest election. But a small percentage of sociopaths will accumulate too much wealth and power and then become tyrants. A mandatory mutualist co-op economy largely prevents this if its structured correctly, but still enables the individualistic choice and free association that a market provides without a collectivist pressure on the individual to work on things the individual doesn’t give a fuck about.
Outside of that, I largely disagree with virtually all non-economic “social” laws or socially/collectively pressured expectations upon the individual. I disagree with communists because they see individual workers as economic units for the whole collective of workers and they structure their systems through that lens. I relate most with anarchists, but disagree with them that a state needs to be completely dismantled for various practical reasons.
But of course I’m talking economics. Foreign policy however seems to be the reason a lot of the left dropped Kamala Harris, on foreign policy I’m purely consequentialist. And I think a lot of the left completely dropped the ball and myopically focused on a singular emotionally charged conflict/tragedy and ignored the potential of far worse mass death to be added on top of it by permitting a fascist to win to own the libs because they’re cushy with Israel. This was completely moronic and I do not respect people who base their voting decision on it. (and enough did that it likely effected the result, though it is hard to know with certainty) Obviously its bad that Israel is slaughtering Palestinians and the liberals are failures (at best) at stopping that but the fascists are exactly the same but worse on causing death on level (and worse for Palestinians as well). The only other justification for refusing to vote is some form of accelerationism and I absolutely despise accelerationists because they expect people today to suffer en masse for a possible brighter future that probably wont ever come because misery and death don’t work as a catalyst for a better world. Seeing the individuals of today as tokens to sacrifice and suffer so “society” can one day be great is anathema to my ideology.
And even if someone voted for Kamala Harris, but worked as hard as possible to post online about how she personally wanted Palestinian babies to be turned into ash, they probably influenced enough people to not vote for her to functionally nullify their own vote anyway. So I also don’t respect such a person either.
But yeah, IDK. It doesn’t matter anymore. This is just me doing some intellectual masturbation. A better world within my lifetime has been obliterated. I’m fucked. We’re fucked. And my soft anti-natalism has become hard anti-natalism.
No shit you’re not trying to convince anyone to change their views. You’re engaging in a vapid self indulgent tantrum.
My main offense is taken by you pretending you’re holding out on us.
You need to shut the fuck up. Taking up all this oxygen in the room just to declare how smart you are and fuck everyone who isn’t you? And you segue into this from saying how mature you are??
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Make good on your threat to leave this kind of discussion to other people because you are an active detriment.
Hey look at me I have aged but I have not grown. My tears are precious. My anger is a guiding light. To what? Silence. Just listen to me dammit.
Holding out on you? Mature? Where the fuck did I say I was mature? I said I’ve been doing this shit a long time but I never used the word mature. What the fuck are you babbling about? I’m saying experienced, that’s not the same as maturity. Maturity is more of a social construct implying a wise and pro-social state.
Here’s the thing: Everytime I get into discussions with you fucking people (or watching discussions play out between you and other people on here) trying to pry out your actual stances are, you get pissy because you know they’re unhinged views and no one sane takes them seriously when they’re laid out on the table. Or you do what you are doing now: hyperfixate on the character of who you are arguing with, in this case me. I never claimed to have good character, I’ll embrace the fact that I’ve become a misanthrope because its true. I don’t give a fuck that you think I’m a bad person, we will never fucking meet. You believe bad people are good and good people are bad anyway so I don’t give a fuck about your tainted evaluation of my character. It doesn’t fucking matter to either of us I don’t know why you pretend. Well, I mean I do: cognitive dissonance and maybe propaganda purposes.
Notice how I more or stated the person’s views are delusional after insisting they come out with it though. I called them a coward because they obfuscated their beliefs to get them to just fucking come out with it. After they disclosed what they actually thought, I realized that I was basically potentially engaging with a flat earther equivalent set of arguments and told them I hated them for the consequences of their rhetoric.
What else needs to be said? That you guys decide to engage with me after implies that you think there is something to be gained in doing so. IDK why you don’t just block me if that isn’t the case.
Telling me to go away wont work. My job has too many boring moments and I got to fill that shit with something.
You can’t have so many consecutive posts where you say nothing on topic or of value and then expect people to read a whole chapter of your diary like this
I was talking about campists/tankie/.ml-user beliefs and propaganda tactics and how transparently dumb it all is. I don’t want to talk about me, you guys are the ones trying to make this about me.
Anyways, I’m sorry you struggle with reading. I thought you .ml users were all about reading big old texts written by autistics. Must be a terrible handicap in your social circle.
“you’re wrong and no I won’t say about what or articulate why, I’m just going to whine for literally a dozen paragraphs and if you don’t read them all then I’m gonna start throwing slurs”
welcome to dot world
Judge our enemies by the fact that it’s us that don’t like them
Dude what he posted was on another planet from me though. Do you argue with MAGA? Do you actually waste your time on debating Qanon? Do you waste time on perpetual motion machines?
Hey man I fucking love discourse, I love debate, but there is a line even for me. I only have so much mental energy or time.
EDIT: Also I think things are hopeless these days so I kind of just hate people now.
EDIT2: I also kind of just want things to be hopeless because I want a reason to stop caring. I’m tired of caring. I want to stop caring.
Qanon hasn’t been a thing for years. Why are you telling me you care when you haven’t left 2016?
You feel hopeless because you have no vision for the future. That’s downstream from having no ideology. You have no project so all you do is complain and whine. The answer for you is to make good on that ‘woe is me’ bullshit and actually have some humility. Because obviously you’re wrong about something and struggling with the contradictions. You’re going to have to figure your shit out.
Or just fully embrace the nihilism and be a fascist for real because that’s the road you’re on right now.