By AMELIA THOMSON-DEVEAUX
Updated 11:08 AM EDT, September 8, 2025
Capitalism’s image has slipped with U.S. adults overall since 2021, the survey finds, and the results show a gradual but persistent shift in Democrats’ support for the two ideologies over the past 15 years, with socialism rising as capitalism falls. The shifts underscore deep divisions within the party about whether open support for socialism will hurt Democrats’ ability to reach moderates or galvanize greater support from people who are concerned about issues like the cost of living.
…But Democrats under 50 are much less likely to view capitalism favorably, while the opinions of Democrats ages 50 and older haven’t shifted meaningfully, according to Gallup.
There’s a qualitative difference between mass media and a tiny, niche internet forum. News agencies in the capitalist world are dominated by the wealthiest, and parties are beholden to corporate donors and vigorously shamed if they do not toe the capitalist line. Rights can be taken away in socialism, correct, which is why those in charge of the rights of society should be the working class, and not capitalists.
So. I think there are many levels of media and this is close to the lowest in number of participants but my point is the wealthiest do not control all media. They have an outsized level of influence and control but its never going to be 100%. People, which include both the working class and capitalists of which people belong to both groups as its not an either or, should be in charge of rights but they need to be set broadly in the framework and be hard to remove, limit, or curtail. This is why they are put into the constitution which is harder to amend than day to day laws.
This is all analysis of what you believe should be the case, but not what is, which is my point.
Its what I believe vs what you believe. You know I said as much when I simply said I disagree.
Your analysis is based on what you said should be the case, but we don’t actually have the ability to implement that with the tools laid out for us.
I don’t even see your point here. We have not really talked about tools but I bet we don’t have really anything to talk about. Let me make this clear. Revolution is not an acceptable tool for change for me and I don’t care how much someone else thinks it is totally the tool or whatnot. I bring this up mostly at a guess of what your philosophies tool would be.
Democracy is a tool to best meet the needs of the people. If this isn’t possible in a given system, then the tool doesn’t work in that system.
As for revolution, it doesn’t really matter if you find it personally acceptable or not. It’s by far the most successful method of social change in history, and it largely arises out of heightened contradictions, not because anyone individually wants it or not.
I disagree. There is no point in our discussion because im pretty sure you see your opinions as facts and my opinions as opinions. As our opinions have fundamental differences I see no point to this.
I just don’t see how you can both acknowledge that capitalists have an outsized influence but think the state is impartial.