By AMELIA THOMSON-DEVEAUX
Updated 11:08 AM EDT, September 8, 2025
Capitalism’s image has slipped with U.S. adults overall since 2021, the survey finds, and the results show a gradual but persistent shift in Democrats’ support for the two ideologies over the past 15 years, with socialism rising as capitalism falls. The shifts underscore deep divisions within the party about whether open support for socialism will hurt Democrats’ ability to reach moderates or galvanize greater support from people who are concerned about issues like the cost of living.
…But Democrats under 50 are much less likely to view capitalism favorably, while the opinions of Democrats ages 50 and older haven’t shifted meaningfully, according to Gallup.
— I. V. Dzhugashvili
In a democracy with human rights that liberty that is enjoyed is the states measures to mitiagate the circumstances and if it is not the ability as a member of a democracy to change it by voting, speaking out, protesting, etc.
So socialism.
I mean sure if its defined by my comment above but I find people define it in a very different manner. Going way back to my initial comment these things annoy me as I feel most folks do not want 100% socialism (state control of stuff) vs capitalism (private control of stuff) but want something in between. Its the democratic foundations of a country and how well it implements it that will then determine where it goes.
It’s socialism when workers own the means of production, not when the state “controls stuff”.
How much stuff? The state already controls lots of stuff, and we don’t have socialism. Aren’t you getting socialism confused with totalitarianism or something like that?
Thats my definition. I have never seen anyone propose or do a socialist system that is just employee owned companies. Regardless I would want the state to still have “social” policies to help those who did not work at a valuable enough company.
It sounds like you’re just opposed to totalitarianism and want a social safety net. I think that most socialists would agree with you.
yeah if this convo thread was that it would be short.
What exactly are the “Democratic foundations” of a country? I’m betting the answer is rascist
In most cases the constitution.
That’s just pure Civic Religion then.
As much as anything constructed by man is a religion.
No, this is literally a “Holy Scripture” situation
You probably shouldn’t base your understanding of capitalism and socialism on the political compass memes.
You have no business attempting to debate this subject, you don’t even understand what socialism is. Socialism is a transitional stage when the working class holds power in society, but existing capitalist relations haven’t yet been abolished. It has fuck all to do with state ownership.