Physics has been getting turned on it’s head the past 3-5 years, but even before that when you start looking too close at it, you start sounding like a hippie fairy tale.
Stuart Hammeroff and Roger Penrose are kind of the experts on consciousness, and a lot of the stuff they’ve been saying for decades is finally starting to be proven true. Like, barely a year ago we found out how quantum superposition can be maintained in a human brain, for the longest time that’s why no one listened to them, their theory required that, and it was thought to be impossible.
But if you want to go down the rabbit hole. You start with those two.
But Penrose was the guy working with Hawking to prove Einstein’s big stuff. And before that he was sending MC Escher ideas and I itial sketches, like those never ending stairs.
Dude is legitimately the smartest living human and he’s spent the last 30 years looking into this stuff as a hobby. It’s really the only reason we know anything about consciousness. A once in a century genius retired early and wanted to keep busy for the next 30 years
That’s an interesting theory I haven’t encountered before, thanks for sharing!
However, I’m not finding anything that suggests to me that Orch OR is really anything more than Penrose catching Nobelitis.
Looking at some of those recent “big results”:
Microtubule-Stabilizer Epothilone B Delays Anesthetic-Induced Unconsciousness in Rats is making a huge leap from “inhibiting basic cell functions results in delayed offset of anesthesia” to “quantum brain hypothesis proved!!!”. It’s a very cool result with important implications, but I would be very surprised if there isn’t already a well proven existing mechanism to explain the result. If I were to bet it would be related to axonal transport, but that’s largely speculative on my part.
In summary, carry on you crazy bastards! But I don’t think you can make any difinitive claims about consciousness and certainly wouldn’t consider Stuart Hammeroff and Roger Penrose “the experts on consciousness” especially with how poorly defined and nebulous the concept is.
All of this sounds very magical and confident and I’m not informed well enough to refute it, but I also can’t tell if it’s satire or nah. 😆
Physics has been getting turned on it’s head the past 3-5 years, but even before that when you start looking too close at it, you start sounding like a hippie fairy tale.
Stuart Hammeroff and Roger Penrose are kind of the experts on consciousness, and a lot of the stuff they’ve been saying for decades is finally starting to be proven true. Like, barely a year ago we found out how quantum superposition can be maintained in a human brain, for the longest time that’s why no one listened to them, their theory required that, and it was thought to be impossible.
But if you want to go down the rabbit hole. You start with those two.
https://hameroff.arizona.edu/research-overview/orch-or
https://scientificandmedical.net/roger-penrose-on-consciousness/
But Penrose was the guy working with Hawking to prove Einstein’s big stuff. And before that he was sending MC Escher ideas and I itial sketches, like those never ending stairs.
Dude is legitimately the smartest living human and he’s spent the last 30 years looking into this stuff as a hobby. It’s really the only reason we know anything about consciousness. A once in a century genius retired early and wanted to keep busy for the next 30 years
That’s an interesting theory I haven’t encountered before, thanks for sharing!
However, I’m not finding anything that suggests to me that Orch OR is really anything more than Penrose catching Nobelitis.
Looking at some of those recent “big results”:
In summary, carry on you crazy bastards! But I don’t think you can make any difinitive claims about consciousness and certainly wouldn’t consider Stuart Hammeroff and Roger Penrose “the experts on consciousness” especially with how poorly defined and nebulous the concept is.