• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    7 days ago

    You trying to say that you think this isn’t happening in, say, Muslim circles?

    Cuz I have a really good bridge here that I’d like to sell and I’d just like to be sure you’re interested.

    All religions are abusive, and it’s not only sexually.

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        3 days ago

        Oh my God, somebody gave an example! Quick, let’s call it a whataboutism!

        My point is that ALL religions are used as an excuse for any abuse and torture and warfare and the most sadistic acts possible.

        ALL religions are evil.

        How is that for whatabout?

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          If you don’t want to be called out for using whataboutisms then don’t use whataboutisms. Don’t piss and moan because you were called out, it’s pathetic.

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            I’m missing the part where you understand it’s not a whataboutism as I just said, because they are ALL evil. Whataboutism doesn’t work when referring to ALL options

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              3 days ago

              Stop whinging.

              I said something, you said whatabout something else. That’s the literal definition of whataboutism.

              Being called our and whinging then doubling down and whinging more is pathetic.

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                Okay, I’ll be the one trying to be reasonable.

                My single point is that this happens in all religions, not just Christianity. This is not to defend Christianity, this is to say it’s everywhere. If extending that little circle you made to be bigger is whataboutism in your mind then please stay out of any discussions in real life because nobody will be able to say anything without you going “whataboutism!!!”

                This is not “what about Muslims”, Muslims were taken as an example, i might just as well have gone for hindi or any religion

                The only religions I’ve found that don’t suck are mock religions like FSM and the satanists.

                Whataboutisms are also used to distract from the point, distract from the target, to protect the target. I’m not trying to distract you from the target; fuck Christianity, all of it. I’m literally just saying that it’s much bigger than the specific group you setup.

                If you still don’t get that, then I don’t know what to tell ya, buddy.

                Also, if you feel bthe other side is whining then maybe you should stop responding as your response is then just whining back

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                  Your argument, if it is made in good faith, is not directly related to the post or the original comment. It is a distraction from the point of the comment which is that the Christians who go on an on about lizard people (anti-Semitic trope) and drag queens and gays abusing children are regularly exposed as the ones who are actually abusing children. The post and comment have nothing to do with other religions which absolutely have issues with abuse of children but it is absolutely whataboutism and likely intended to distract from the point of the post and the comment which is that this “save the children” christofascist was a pedophile like so many other christofascists, see Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump, and so many more.

                  Whataboutism. Stop whinging about being called out for it.

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      Not necessarily all, there are plenty of what I would call folks religions that are more or less the eclectic tales and legends of a family or village that aren’t abusive. The abuse only really gets to be a problem once you start getting organization of a greater degree than that one uncle who knows your kins oral history like the back of their hand.

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        3 days ago

        There is always abuse

        Be it physical, sexual, psychological, or just by the way of control (because that too is what all religions are about), there is always abuse

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          What I’m talking about is a folk belief system that overlaps with theology, wherein the difference between culture, tradition, and what we call religion are so intermixed and overlapped that they are effectively inseperable.

          The situation I am talking about is one wherein there is no religious control because there is no structure to control it with, wherein theological debate is not between priests but between kinsmen who are at worst separated by eldership. In such a situation the abuse is an outcropping of culture not religion, or at least is about as secular as you can get with such folk beliefs present.

          Sorry I recently read an article going over pre Christian anamistic beliefs in Europe and it melted my brain. There is no religion just culture and traditions in such society.