Leaders such as Trump and Orbán could only be effectively opposed, she said, by ditching a “legalistic, technical, technocratic approach” in favor of “something for the electorate to be excited about”.

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    That’s what happenned inside the more-rightwing party in the US, and in the UK too (which also has a FPTP voting system hence is a similarly flawed “democracy”).

    If the Fascists can infiltrate the more-rightwing mainstream party, why can’t the lefties do the same to the less-rightwing party?

    That said, it’s my impression that in both the US and UK, even the less-rightwing party is a lot closer to Fascism to begin with than it is to being left-of-center - Neoliberalism is all about removing the Power from the hands of voters and putting it in the hands of the Wealthy Elites by making what voters (supposedly) control in Democracy - the legislature and executive - be secondary to the Power of Money, or in other words, to make voters come second rather than first and hence the entire system less democratic.

    (Also in the UK when the lefties did try and take control of the less-rightwing party, there was a massive campaign by the entirety of the Press, the more-rightwing party and even the until then faction in power inside the less-rightwing party to revert it, even involving Israeli-linked Jewish Organisations in Britain - as the campaign relied mostly in slandering the lefties and the elected leftwing party leader of being anti-semites - which succeeded and returned the Hard-Right Neoliberals to the leadership of that party - were they immediatelly started a purge of leftwingers - all of which is probably a pretty good predictor of how things would happen in the US if the leftwing tried to take over the Democrat Party by trusting the democratic nature of the voting system and other structures within that party and just electing a new leadership: in this era and in countries which Duopoly Performative Democracy systems, the power parties are not at all democratic and when push come to shove they will ditch the Theatre of Democracy they use to seem democratic and operate under the same Rules Of Power as all other authoritarians).

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      I agree with basically all of that. Problem is USA and UK are essentially 2 party systems, so taking control of either is the only option to gain power.
      For some reason UK voted against having a more democratic system, which is so stupid moronic idiotic that I don’t have words.
      Both countries need to modernize their democracies, and until that has happened the only option is to gain the power to do it.
      But yes the media are right wing too, because all media is owned by billionaires, so there is no such thing as fair press in politics.
      UK has the BBC, but that too is controlled by right wing powers, so although it’s better than American media, it’s still mostly on the side of the right wing establishment when it counts.

      It’s a shitty situation in both places, but democracy is not something that is given, it is something that needs to be fought for. And even when we have it, we need to actively preserve it.

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        Oh, I’m not saying that it’s not possible or that there is any other option, I’m saying “Learn from the errors of the British leftwingers when they tried to do it there”.

        Be prepared for the dirtiest of dirty tricks and the entirety of the Press revealing itself as nothing more than a Propaganda machine for the Wealthy Elites and their political minions.

        Mind you, at this point and with the Israeli Genocide turning into the XXI century Holocaust and after the insane overuse of the “anti-semite” slander against people merelly speaking against the mass murder of children by the Zionists, it’s doubtful that using accusations of “anti-semitism” as basis of their dirty tricks campaign would actually work (though you can see that they’re sorta trying it against the guy in New York).