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by Caitlin Johnstone Jul 15, 2025
The New York Times has published an op-ed by a genocide scholar who says that he resisted acknowledging the truth of what Israel is doing in Gaza for as long as he could, but can no longer deny the obvious.
It’s an admission that may as well have come from The New York Times itself.
In an article titled “I’m a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It.”, a Brown University professor of Holocaust and genocide studies named Omer Bartov argues that “Israel is literally trying to wipe out Palestinian existence in Gaza,” and denounces his fellow Holocaust scholars for failing to acknowledge reality.
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Spain and some other EU countries since time called it what it is and Netanyahu an criminal. Even dicovering that Hamas is supported and funded by Israel to justify this genocide. This makes Netanyahu even more vomitive than it is already and all orange guys which support him
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-eu-top-diplomat-josep-borrell/
Remind me what did Josep Borrell do when he had power? This is the “europe is a garden” guy btw.
Not to say that he is wrong here, but this is just lip service from a career politician serving the very same people that pushed the genocide.
I just don’t like Spain getting good rep because of empty rhetoric, while in reality they materially support Israel.
It’s not the only one who said it, it is known as public domain since years.
I know, israel did this to undermine the PLO, but i ask you what did Borrell do when he held one of the top EU positions? Nothing. These ghouls don’t deserve any good rep for minimal lip service.
Hamas is supported and funded by Israel to justify this genocide.
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Not now but they did fund Hamas some time ago to undermine the PLO*, it’s a well known fact. Not unlike what is happening with Syria, helping headchoppers take power to justify seizing more Syrian territory with the excuse of “helping minorities" which they later will kill.
that’s not what the other guy said, he didn’t say “oh back in the day israel indirectly or directly used hamas to undermine other groups” he said “Hamas is supported and funded”
The most important thing is to never be against the atrocities too soon. One day, everyone will have been against this genocide.
Its only fair to critizice it after goals have been achieved.
Israel’s image is cracking. Let’s make it shatter. Keep talking about what they are doing to a captive population: it’s genocide.
Gotta give some treats to their readers from time to time.
As advanced as we have become, we still fail at objectively “scoring” atrocities quickly enough to stop unreasonable loss of life.
This manner of thinking is painfully naive if not downright disingenous. They knew it was a genocide, they have known it’s a genocide since mid 20th century, but chose to cover it up because of their material interests.
Not exactly.
The ruling class gets to decide the score. They didn’t fail to recognize the atrocity quickly enough, they supported it.
I don’t think that’s where we’re failing.
It became very obvious, a couple of weeks into Israel’s retaliation, that this wasn’t ever about the Hamas attacks but about wiping out every single Palestinian from Gaza.
But the EU is still searching for a spine, the US condones it, and the rest of the world doesn’t really care enough.
And here we are, with dozens and dozens of innocent people being massacred every single day. It makes me sick to my stomach…
EU isn’t “searching for a spine” they condone it as well.
It depends on the country.
Germany “unwaveringly supports” it (it’s tradition for them to support large scale extreme Racist Genocides, I guess) as does Italy (though there it seems more of a “brotherhood of Fascists” thing between their ruling coalition and the Zionists), whilst Spain and the Republic Of Ireland
condonecondemn it, and a bunch of others like The Netherlands and France make some noises of discomfort about it but still keep on selling weapons to Israel.There really is no EU-wide agreement on this, though most of its member countries are slowly shifting against Israel.
Please stop this garbage, the entire EU materially supports Israel, their rhetoric doesn’t fucking matter if they send weapons to Israel.
Idk about Ireland, I could believe they are actually against it due to their history. But while the people of Spain strongly condemn it, and Spain thus puts out statements opposed, the government still supports it materially. Every so often they claim to stop buying/selling weapons from them, but continue to do so.
Unless I’ve missed something recently which is entirely possible I guess.
And as for other countries making noise of discontent but continuing support, that’s still support. Joe Biden publicly claimed to call for ceasefire all the time, but continued to send weapons and never actually seriously demanded a ceasefire. It’s rhetoric to subdues the populace on a topic they strongly disagree with the government.
Exactly, i hate how people think Spain “condemns” Israel because Pedro Sánchez pays some lip service to satisfy it’s voting base, but in actual reality they support Israel. Every single time that Pedeo Sánchez has states that they are no longer doing business with Israel, it’s proven that they indeed continue doing business with Israel.
People only caring about fucking rhetoric and not reality drives me insane.
Hey you’re the person who inspired me to look into Spains record on this like a week ago! I was passively accepting Spains rhetoric and you calling them out in a comment reply to someone else inspired me research deeper. Each one, teach one.
Glad that it didn’t fall on deaf ears! I understand that many people fall for the rhetoric since most of the media unveiling the hypocrisy is in spanish, not english.
…whilst Spain and the Republic of Ireland condone it…
Either you meant to say condemn, or I have seriously misread the situation.
Oops!
Thanks, corrected it now.
