Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    395·
    1 year ago

    There isn’t a genocide (race / tribe killing) in Gaza

    Genocide isn’t just killing…

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    Killing members of the group;

    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

    And even if that was just indiscriminate killing based on race/ethnicity, the UN is already saying what Israel is doing amounts to that

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-running-out-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-ceasefire-prevent-genocide

    Your opinion is your opinion.

    But what is/isn’t a genocide is clearly defined in the Geneva convention. And even if you’re definition was correct, the UN disagrees with you about Israel meeting that definition.

      • jarfil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Some wars are about who gets control over some resources, or who will be collecting the taxes, without trying to wipe out the other side.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            163·
            1 year ago

            If that was true, then I’m sure there’s lots of statements from human rights organizations world wide clarifying how it’s wrong.

            Do you mind linking one?

            Quick edit:

            Also, that doesn’t mean Israel isn’t breaking the Geneva Convention…

            In fact, it seems to be admission that they are…

            • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldEnglish
              315·
              1 year ago

              It will take a bit to pull it from the 1948 archive but Raphael Lemkin used it because it was a loaded word to mean killing millions of people.

              The actual UN definition added any transfer of children from one ethnic group to another in the last week of negotiations in 1948. Even by that definition it doesn’t meet the UN term with what is happening in Gaza.

              • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                82·
                1 year ago

                So to clarify, you agree that Israel is violating the Geneva Convention?

                Your issue is just that the Genocide section is called that?

                If all this is really that pedantic and you understand that human rights abuses are bad, and Israel is committing human rights abuses, I guess I’ll take what I can get.

                But it seems like you’re defending the acts Israel are committing on the basis that the section of the genocide section of the Geneva Convention is more in depth than just saying “don’t exterminate every single person in a group”.

                Because by that logic, there wasn’t a genocide in North America for over a century against the indigenous people…

                Even by that definition it doesn’t meet the UN term with what is happening in Gaza.

                Your still ignoring the majority of what the Geneva Convention says…

                I’ve linked it multiple times, and even quoted it once so you don’t have to click the link…

                https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

                Specifically

                Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

                And

                Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

                But the link really goes into specifics that you should know, just read the link.

                • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  313·
                  1 year ago

                  Because by that logic, there wasn’t a genocide in North America for over a century against the indigenous people

                  I don’t agree there was a genocide against the waring tribes of the Southeastern United States. The results of the Indian Removal Act wasn’t a genocide but a forced migration after the War of 1812 due to to the local tribes joining the British and slaughtering civilians. If you read the Act you will see it was a direct response to the actions the tribes took against civilians.

                  The Souix Nation on the otherhand saw their children taken from them and placed in religious boarding schools, that would qualify.

                  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    72·
                    1 year ago

                    Wow…

                    Can you give a single example of a genocide you acknowledged happened?

                    Not as a “gotcha” I’m legitimately still trying to help you understand this, you mod some serious subs and unfortunately genocide is something you should understand in 2023.

                  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    83·
                    1 year ago

                    Dude… Ummm no. Just stop. There are less than 1% of the Native Americans left. We genocided those people. We killed them and took their land repeatedly. We forced them onto “worthless” land, and destroyed and outlawed their cultures. WE HANDED THEM POLIO AND CHOLERA INFECTED BLANKETS. Stop trying to whitewash fucking everything.

                    Also I don’t give a fuck what a language that is DEAD has to say about a modern definition of an English word. You don’t understand how language works.

                • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  115·
                  1 year ago

                  I don’t see anything Israel is doing that is a crime at this time. Governments get a lot of leeway when dealing with terrorism and Israel is dealing with the aftermath of a wide scale terrorist attack against civilians.

                  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    7·
                    1 year ago

                    I don’t see anything Israel is doing that is a crime at this time

                    https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians

                    “We also strongly condemn Israel’s indiscriminate military attacks against the already exhausted Palestinian people of Gaza, comprising over 2.3 million people, nearly half of whom are children. They have lived under unlawful blockade for 16 years, and already gone through five major brutal wars, which remain unaccounted for,” they said.

                    “This amounts to collective punishment,” the UN experts said. “There is no justification for violence that indiscriminately targets innocent civilians, whether by Hamas or Israeli forces. This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime.”

                    The experts also expressed concern about reports that journalists and media workers reporting on the conflict had been targeted, with seven Palestinian journalists and media workers reportedly killed in Israeli airstrikes.

                    The UN disagrees with you on that too…

                    To avoid any confusion:

                    This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime.

                    Is this another point you disagree with the UN on?