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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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    I have not met very many Israelis, that is true…

    But the ones that I have met expressed very overtly racist positions that were logically inconsistent in any other scenario: special pleading all the way.

    I wasn’t, at the time, back around a decade ago now, telling my white liberal friends ‘all Israelis are racist because I met a few’.

    I was telling them ‘this is what this one particular guy said, this is what that other particular guy said, if you applied that same logic you could justify the US extermination of Native Americans, this is concerning to me.’

    You are here doing the thing my former friends did: You are assuming I did and said things I did not do nor say, and are pearl clutching… because you’ve head canon’d in your own missing context and additional details.

    Notably none of my former white liberal friends bothered to ever ask me about having grown with fairly frequently interacting with… you know, my cousins… and me and them getting along with them well, me learning how to make a latke, me being respectful at hannukah despite me being raised Protestant, me being excited to learn the dradel dradel dradel song as a kid, watching fiddler on the roof together and me liking the songs so much I learned how to sing some of them, and then my actually anti semitic dad telling me to cut that shit out in his house, etc.

    Nah they just assumed I was an anti-semite, because they and their families were even more lily white than me and mine, and were projecting their own fears of being viewed as anti-semitic onto me.

    It is entirely possible for me to say ‘every Israeli I’ve met has been racist’, that be a true statement, while I can also simultaneously believe that not all Israelis are racist, statistically or by definition… because I am aware of the difference between an anecdote and a statistically valid survey.

    But did you read the entire article that is this post?

    82% of the Israeli public support, at bare minimum, ethnically cleansing all of Gaza.

    Thats 4 out of 5.

    That is your statistically valid sample.

    Turns out my anecdotal experience was not atypical.

    I’ve only met a few Japanese (as in, born and raised in Japan and ethnically Japanese) people in my life, and they’ve all been skilled martial artists.

    This just is true.

    Because I met them via participating in Karate for over a decade.

    … Does this mean I think all Japanese people are highly skilled martial artists?

    No.

    Not unless you read that into what I said, despite me not actually saying that, because you head canon’d your own context into the first statement.

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      But the ones that I have met expressed very overtly racist positions that were logically inconsistent in any other scenario: special pleading all the way.

      I wasn’t, at the time, back around a decade ago now, telling my white liberal friends ‘all Israelis are racist because I met a few’.

      I’m not saying that you were being racist. I’m saying that it’s very easy to come across as racist when pointing out things that you don’t like about a few people off the same race.

      You are here doing the thing my former friends did: You are assuming I did and said things I did not do nor say, and are pearl clutching… because you’ve head canon’d in your own missing context and additional details.

      I’m doing no such thing. I wasn’t judging you for your observations and I made no statement about whether I thought you were racist or not because I don’t have the information required to suggest that you are.

      But did you read the entire article that is this post?

      No, I didn’t need to because I was only making the comment that it’s very easy to be seen as racist when you talk about a race of people.

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        No, I didn’t need to because I was only making the comment that it’s very easy to be seen as racist when you talk about a race of people.

        Ah, guess we better just not talk at all about race then and all just do ‘im colorblind, i intentionally ignore systemic racial injustices and judge everyone by my own racially priveleged standards’.

        Fuck off.

        Context matters, the context of this post and the comments that follow from it matter, you just randomly popping in to ‘agnostically’ critique a single comment, on its own, without context, when the entire point of said comment is that proper context and nuance matter is an insultingly facile and unproductive thing to do, its the insecure, passive-aggressive liberal’s version of ‘just asking questions’ / ‘lets say, hypothetically… (nonsenical rhetorical non sequitir).’

        Is… is this what you do, just scan random comments and remove all context and then tell people that with all the context removed this could sound bad?

        You reply to specific, detailed posts and then say oh actually I was just commenting generally, it just happened to be on this specific comment for no particular reason?

        Go back to twitter or bluesky to clutch your pearls, fuck off with your disingenuous, shit-disturber bullshit.

        ‘nogooduser’ indeed, almost like an intentional joke name a dedicated contrarian troll would use.

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          Fuck off.

          I’m sorry that I offended you. I was genuinely trying to be helpful in pointing out how what you said could be misconstrued.