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The IDF revealed on Friday, what it described as intelligence showing a Hamas command center located under a the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. In a briefing, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari told members of the foreign press corps that there are areas in the hospitals that are used by Hamas to direct its military operations.
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Even if true, does it justify bombing and killing everyone in that hospital?
This looks so fake, holy shit. Apparently Hamas has a red barrel room straight out of every video game.
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It’s a representation of a Garry’s Mod level. I don’t doubt Hamas has bases in tunnels but the base depicted looks so obviously faked, the rooms in it look straight out of a video game. It’s like the Israeli government told a video game addicted intern to make up a Hamas bases in Garry’s Mod to send to the media.
Not only is it not fake, it’s been known for some time, and Amnesty did a whole piece of how Hamas tortures dissidents there.
I don’t see anything there about Hamas punkers looking like an graphic design intern, who plays an excessive amount of FPS games, quickly threw the design together in Garry’s Mod.
I’m not sure how you think this is criticism.
Are you saying you’d be happier if the IDF released a Blizzard Cinematic of the tunnels? Why?
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I’d be happier if it doesn’t look obviously faked. Like you have the gun wall room with rockets littering the floor, then you have the terrorist video room and the video game red barrel room. All in a weird concrete structure. Like it looks like they just got some random to throw it together, it’s Russian propaganda levels of lazy.
I don’t doubt that they put them in and around hospitals, schools, mosques, and churches to try to increase civilian casualties and therefore outrage when Israel goes and strikes their enemies.
Reading Lemmy, it works wonders
I wonder how many people understand what this was.
inb4 WMDs in Gaza /s
Do Israeli leaders know that when a terrorist uses “human shields,”, you aren’t supposed to kill the “human shields”? You’re supposed to prove you’re better than the terrorist by valuing civilian life.
“Human shields” in quotes because they seem to think Hamas using tunnels makes all of Gaza a human shield. But if you value human life on the x and y axis and kill civilians on the z axis, you’re still a war criminal. Real life is 3D.
Not quite - you are meant to respond in a proportional way and minimise civilian casualties. It sucks, but civilians die in war and this must be minimal.
Level the whole building - non proportional, didn’t minimize casualties, probably a war crime (as it is a military target it may be considered acceptable).
Blockades to remove hamas strength and stop aid supplies that aren’t getting to civilians anyway- proportional and minimises as opposed to what else can be done.
Restricting resources then invasion - legal to remove a threat, proportional, minimize casualties.
Interestingly this is the exact same response a police force will do if someone blockades themselves inside a building with human shields and takes pot shots at everyone walking past - starve, remove strength and resources, get as many hostages out as you can then invade it.
Using civilians as a human shield in a state-state conflict is a war crime, however if hamas is considered a terrorist organization rather than a state it is no longer war and not technically a war crime. I believe other laws come into play however, its been a while.
From what I understand, putting militarily installations in places of worship, schools, hospitals and similar, is a war crime even in non-international conflicts.
Been a few months since I looked at the finer details - something about the rules of war only applying in state-state war as state-non state is a conflict, not a war and as such could not be done for a war crime. However could be done for crimes against humanity which would follow a different process. Things like Somali pirates were excempt from war crimes as they were a non-state actor even though they targeted civilian shipping and went against military forces.
Either way - it is globally acknowledged it shouldn’t be done and hell should be brought down on the perpetrators from the international level. Hamas was also the elected government (i think) so it is a state-state war.
I’m obviously not a lawyer so take this with a heap of salt but Article 8, 2. e) seems to explicitly specify war crimes for non-international conflicts:
Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflicts not of an international character, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts
That’s just saying they can hold a trial in absentia for non members, it’s not binding but it’s shows international stance.
Neither - just studied a bit at uni.
I don’t have a problem with crushing the Al-Qassam Brigades or crushing Hamas leadership structure. I do have a problem with the loose definition of human shield and pretending the health ministry is the Al-Qassam Brigades.
I root for team civilian but even if I had a special place in my heart for Israel, I think what they’re doing is counterproductive. Every civilian killed means two terrorists a few years from now.
get as many hostages out
Ah I see Israel skipped this step because they don’t care about the hostages (and neither does Egypt for that matter)
That’s not what the geneva convention says. The right of self defense takes precedence. So according to international law those locations become valid targets. They are not “supposed to keel over and die”, that’s not valuing their own lives.
Oh, well if IDF reveals it, it’s gotta be true . . .
What do you mean?
It’s not like they could have faked the audio recording of two anonymous people saying it’s definitely happening…
I mean sure, if they wanted to they could send in ground forces and capture the hospital they could prove that infrastructure exists, but why do that when they can just collapse the hospital and kill all the patients too?
Sending ground forces straight into the center of Gaza isn’t as simple as you make it seem. The place is booby trapped and has a labyrinth of tunnels full of armed terrorists just waiting to kill Israeli soldiers in the name of Allah or some shit.
They can’t just stroll in and take a look under the hospital.
So this is a hospital IDF is admitting they bombed?
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