President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren’t behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was “the data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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    The problem I have with this narrative isn’t who dropped the bomb. Tbh they’re probably right it was a Palestinian missile. It’s the sheer audacity for all these western countries to be shocked and say let’s figure this out, as Israel just dropped like 6000 bombs in 6 days. They’re worried about one bomb but not the 6000 others, cause ya know, those were killing only Hamas and not injured people in a hospital /s.

    While the Muslim world looks on in horror at more bombing in a conflict that has been going on for decades, the western world is focused on insignificant details. Who carried out what attack. Who dropped what bomb. Which act is more morally reprehensible. None of this solves the problem of a displaced people. Only the US can pressure Israel to accept a two state solution. That’s the only peaceful solution possible for this conflict imo. The other solution is to wipe out Gaza and the West Bank and everyday we’re getting closer to that.

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      I don’t know, most of the papers in the UK led with a front page item on how Israel had killed 500 people by bombing a hospital. So if that wasn’t actually true, it’s quite important.

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        I doubt that Rishi Sunak speak correctly.

        This is the most global headline nơw.

        If you have a little deep heart inside, you can think twice. See what difference between two sides. Who is support Israel, the world’s most powerful militaries that every country don’t want take risk to war with. Then, who is support Palestine. There is many country but still behind.

        The latest statistics on the Israel-Palestine conflict as of October 19, 2023, are as follows:

        Gaza: Killed: At least 3,478 Injured: Over 12,065 Occupied West Bank: Killed: At least 69 Injured: More than 1,300 Israel: Killed: At least 1,403 Injured: At least 3,800

        These figures have been reported by the Palestinian health ministry, Palestine Red Crescent Society, and Israeli Medical Services. Please note that these numbers are subject to change as the situation evolves.

        And what the trembling moments 1 child killed in Gaza every hour. Precisely more than that. 😥

        When 12 of The Council drafted a statement calling for a ceasefire on Wednesday, but the statement was vetoed by the US. WHAT THE F***

        Millions of lives hang in the balance, including the 2.3 million civilians half of whom are children in Gaza civilians in Israel, and Jews and Muslims around the world.

        I can write more but let just world knows who is the really war criminal.

        You don’t have to be Muslim to support Palestine 🇵🇸 … you just have to be HUMAN … 😥

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          what can third parties do to reduce or eliminate Hamas’s hold on Palestine?

          I’m all for Palestinian rights, and the constant encroachment of fundamentalist settlements is a war crime that went unpunished for Israel - but Hamas’s charter is explicit, there’s no middle ground or two state solution, just the destruction of Israel.

          So how can third parties help the Palestinians in the one way that would make a significant difference in their QOL and interactions with Israel?

          Honest question.

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            You’re not going to get any magical solution because Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

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              You’re not going to get any magical solution

              and yet they all believe in their invisible friends and holy books so much… ironic that.

              Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

              funny how you’re leaving out the near extermination of their people and world recognition of their state, kinda glossing over most of history even. guess you decided to leave those parts out too. It’s almost as if both sides are completely full of shit.

              Huh.

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          You also can support Palestinian people and genuinely want their liberation, but have zero love for Hamas or IJ.

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          Okay well I’m not sure what most of this says, and I know better than to engage in Israel-Palestine discourse online.

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      The western world is focused on insignificant details. Who carried out what attack. Who dropped what bomb. Which act is more morally reprehensible. None of this solves the problem of a displaced people

      Misinformation on the scale of “a building was destroyed that clearly is still intact” deserves focus. If they’ll lie about shit that can be confirmed with a tiny bit of research, what else is getting exaggerated?

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      So, why are these people living in a city that belonged to Egypt a few decades ago displaced? What happened? What could have possibly prompted Israel to take that territory? Was there a war or something? Did a group of nations come together to try and kill all Israelis or something?

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        It’s almost like they went through two attempts to end their people in a twenty-ish year period of time.

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      Part of the problem is that Hamas won’t accept a two state solution, either. The people in power on both sides have made it clear that they want the other eradicated. If Hamas and the Israeli government were to disappear then maybe that could happen, but even then there is so much deep rooted hatred amongst those populations for them to realistically live in relative peace while being in such close proximity to each other.

      I don’t honestly know of a great solution besides Israel replacing their government, and the ultra nationalistic conservative half of the Gaza strip moving out, or vice versa.

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      I like your take. Most actors involved in this conflict have tunnel vision and that will only lead to more violence.

      Even some victims of Hamas’ violence are calling on TV for reflection instead of seeking revenge. Revenge only feeds a never-ending cycle of violence with no end in sight. Israel’s Government will have to own up to having allowed/encouraged Hamas with the single purpose of derailing two-state efforts and that has failed horribly.

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        It really doesn’t matter what you call them or how you feel about it, Israel is in the position to call the shots and the US is their most influential ally on this. Israel isn’t going to magically go the peaceful route without external pressure, and you have to be fucking joking to think they care what Palestinians care.

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        what makes you think anything would change if nobody did anything? of course there needs to be an external pressure to change something about the situation. otherwise israel will just keep on decimating palestine population and it will end with a singular state. is that what you want?

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          I added an Al Jazeera video argument of a single state. It is not a defense of the zionist fundamentalist terrorists state.

          It’s a defense of a multi ethnic state, run by the people for the people.

          If nobody did anything maybe in 50 years the social indexes may improve by collective work of the people that live there, and know the right priorities, like Vietnam is recovering after the US simply stopped bombing the shit out of that land.