They exchanged text messages and emojis. Brief status updates with words of encouragement. A picture of the beloved family dog “Tutsi.”

Until no more messages came.

And then, Cindy Flash, an American, and her Israeli husband Igal vanished into the violence, presumed kidnapped by Hamas.

Four days after Hamas attacked Israel, more than 100 Israelis and potentially dozens of foreign nationals are thought to be held captive in the Gaza Strip. At least 14 U.S. citizens have been killed and an unknown number are still unaccounted for.

Flash, 67, originally from St. Paul, Minnesota, is one of them. She lives in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz in southern Israel near Gaza, where some of the most harrowing and grisly stories have been emerging during the last few days.

“They are breaking down the safe room door,” Flash said in one of her final messages to her daughter Keren, 34. “We need someone to come by the house right now.” She had been communicating with her parents from a few houses away.

Keren described her mother, who worked as an administrator in a local college, as someone who had the “sweetest biggest heart,” who everyone knew and loved, and who had spent a lifetime advocating for the rights of Palestinians, including those who live in Gaza where she may now be held.

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        Sure. And Netanyahu is a right-wing asshole. But he isn’t a terrorist.

        You see the difference?

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            Yeah, if I was dead wrong about what words mean, I wouldn’t want to argue semantics either.

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              Then why do you keep replying when you are dead wrong? Can’t even be consistent on keeping your word.

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          Hamas are terrorists, Netanyahu is a terrorist. If a terrorist is someone who attacks civilians for political aims.

          I find it hard to discriminate Civilian A who was killed from Civilian B who was killed by the other side. Apparently that is a controversial statement around here. Ya’ll are fucked.

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            Hamas are terrorists because the target civilians for death.

            Netanyahu is a corrupt right-wing asshole, but he doesn’t target innocent civilians for death.

            If you broaden the word “terrorist” to apply to anyone you don’t like for any reason, the word ceases to have any meaning or weight.

            And that gives cover to ACTUAL terrorists.

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              Deliberately cutting off water, electricity and medical aid will result directly in children dying. Again I find it hard to see the difference between civilian A and civilian B being killed just on the basis of WHO killed them. But you do you.

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                Again, you’re pretending that INTENTION doesn’t matter. That collateral damage is morally equivalent to a targeted killing.

                I just 100 percent disagree.

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                  What other result is there for INTENTIONALLY cutting off food, water and electricity. BTW I just asked my 12 yr old if I cut off the food water and electricity to a population would mean I be responsible for the deaths and her answer was “DUH!” This isn’t hard man.

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                    That’s fine. Maybe if we ask Hamas to be nice and come out, they’ll stop using all those people as a human shield.

                    Go lecture them. You’re very persuasive.

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                  Netanyahu has every opportunity to tell his army not to target civilian dwellings.

                  But he isn’t. Because he and his ilk have repeatedly stated their opinions that Palestinians don’t matter. They aren’t people.

                  Israel has been waiting on an excuse to genocide the Palestinians for at least a decade now. Hamas just gave it to them.

                  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says

                  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-election-idUSKBN0MC1I820150316

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/18/10-quotes-that-explain-the-history-of-the-gaza-conflict/

                  It’s wrong-headed to try to absolve either side of any blame here. Hamas are terrorists. So is the Israeli state.

                  Israel has a right to be paranoid and militant. They’ve had to fight for their right to exist as a nation for 70-80 years now. Constantly under attack. Constantly at war.

                  And the Palestinians have the right to be angry. Their land was stolen from them to make room for a Jewish State. They were displaced with no attempt to compromise. And they’ve been discriminated against and murdered systematically since.

                  So course extremist factions popped up on both sides.

                  Innocent people have been murdered by both. Hamas might have started this most recent fight, but Israel has had no qualms in using its superior firepower just as ruthlessly.

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              bro you can you read? hear words? Israel is currently bombing apartments, ambulances, etc. Specifically with the goal of killing every last citizen in gaza that doesn’t flee.

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      Hamas was never elected as sole leadership in Palestine. They never won a plurality of votes, ever.

      They formed a unity government, then fought the other government, usurped control, and cancelled elections forever.

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        Hamas won 74 out of 132 seats. They did it with 44 percent of the vote. Not sure how that worked.

        Anyway, you’re kind of right, kind of wrong.

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          Same way Republicans do it in Ohio, one assumes. Heavy concentration in minority-population areas.

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        This should be said more often and more forcefully, as its knowledge people (including myself) are not generally aware of.

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      20 years ago. Around half of today’s population didn’t vote and of the ones that did many didn’t vote for hamas. Find a new way to blame innocent people, this one doesn’t work.

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          I don’t think we should condemn an entire population to death regardless of who they vote for. You’re only adding recruitment material to the terrorist’s repertoire at that point. And if they did vote for them, last year or today, you still have roughly 40% of the population who are minors. Do they deserve death because of their parent’s vote?

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              Nowhere did I accuse you of supporting genocide. You asked if they’d still vote hamas and I don’t know so I replied with the assumption that they would because of the propaganda they’re raised with and the threat of violence if they dissent from hamas and stated that even if they did I don’t think they deserve to be treated as an entire nation of terrorists. If you can’t separate that from yourself that’s on you.

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          Overwhelmingly? In Gaza maybe, but Palestinians as a whole support them at 53 percent at last count. So, yeah, it sure looks like they are still majority pro-hamas