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      Really makes you think about why Hamas is so radicalized, doesn’t it? It’s not like you can pull a Muslim out of a hat and radicalize them. People in a stable, healthy, and fair socioeconomic position do not see violence as an answer. People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.

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        I don’t give a shit personally. Dont fucking murder and kidnap civilians. There isn’t a justification

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          Say that to Israel. The average age of the population in Gaza is 18. Unless there was a population boom of unprecedented proportions 18 years ago. (There wasn’t) Something seriously wrong is going on.

          I don’t support Hamas’s attack. But Israel isn’t the victim. The people of Palestine and even Israel are the victims. And ultimately, the government of Israel is the aggressor. They could stop this. But they don’t. They just make excuses and dehumanize the Palestinians. Then act surprised when they get the response they want.

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            The average age of the population in Gaza is 18.

            Of note: The blockade of Gaza is going on for a good 16 years, now. About half of Gazans grew up under that regime and they’re just about reaching fighting age now, already having gone through “what might I possibly be in the future” age and, well, there’s not exactly many options are there.

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              Exactly. Regardless of who started this. At some point someone’s going to have to be the bigger person. And unfortunately that can literally only be israel. And they are absolutely refusing. No matter how good or bad people in guys that are Palestinians in general behave. They are just counted phones to Israel and many other Middle Eastern powers.

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              No. They really don’t. It’s pretty fucked up what Hamas just did. But it didn’t come from a vacuum. Those people and their families have lived there for centuries. Before a bunch of Western powers came in occupied, and then decided to kick them out of their own territories. Off their own lands. Give it to people who hadn’t been there in living memory at the very best. Violence begets violence and it’s been that way ever since the start of this situation. Unfortunately however. Israel is going to have to be the bigger person here. Because they’re not the ones trapped in a blockade of Israel’s design with the help of other Middle Eastern Nations.

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          This is the second thread I’ve seen today with your awful takes. Probably worth a block, but I don’t believe in it. Just know that you’re super fucking wrong.

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            I get it but overall with this situation I don’t get why its crazy to say fuck both of these groups and targeting civilian’s is never acceptable

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      Also, about half of Israel’s jewish citizens = secular people who want peace

      It seems to be the ultra-religious on both sides that are constantly making things worse.

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      What makes the problem hard is that there are a lot of dickheads on both sides, not just the governments. You can be an oppressed victim AND a dick. These things are not mutually exclusive, unfortunately.

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    Is Spain offering asylum to Palestinians? Because that’s the only thing that will help those people.

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      They have to be able to leave Gaza in order to receive asylum.

      Gaza is pretty much an open air prison that you can’t really leave all that easily.

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    The mass downvoting on comments on this thread shows that the Islamophobes are brigading.

    There is literally nothing to disagree with, other than if you object to Muslim/Palestinian people existing.

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    Yes we can. These people are fighting over religion. Fucking religion.

    If you’re religious, you’re part of the problem. All sides suck.