Or maybe both are unreasonable and neither should be tolerated
Yeah, I am not going to go dictate what other peoples entertainment choices are tolerated. Excuse me from that.
you should be working (like I do all the time) to get them over to the Fediverse.
Putting aside your incorrect assumption I don’t bring people I know over when it is appropriate. Why exactly should I do that? Are you under the impression there isn’t any propaganda on Lemmy and the wider feddiverse?
My time would be better spent getting people educated on how to think critically and find information properly.
You cannot find information properly on those websites, American or Chinese, and if you were a critical thinker, you wouldn’t use them.
Also, if someone says “racism should not be tolerated,” do you tell them that you’re not going to dictate what other people’s beliefs are too? Because “should not be tolerated” generally means “everyone needs to wake the fuck up and realize what’s going on” and not “people should be forced to do something.”
You cannot find information properly on those websites, American or Chinese, and if you were a critical thinker, you wouldn’t use them.
I don’t use any social media besides Lemmy when I get bored. Getting important information from any social media including fediverse is dumb, that is why I call it entertainment.
Also, if someone says “racism should not be tolerated,” do you tell them that you’re not going to dictate what other people’s beliefs are too?
And here goes the patented, “you disagree with me so you must be racist” argument.
Talk about assumptions. It was a general you, not you in specific, and I didn’t call you (in specific) racist, I was making a comparison with something I thought you would probably agree with to show why that phrase has nothing to do with dictating beliefs. I literally only said that because I was assuming, I admit it, that you are not a racist. Since you do not care for people assuming things about you, I apologize for assuming you were not a racist.
First of all, I made that comment because I find it distasteful and minimizing towards racism to suggest that I should react the same way or with same intensity to racism and someone using Facebook. My apologies if that is not what you meant, but it is what it sounds like to me.
Second of all, what is the value proposition here? I spend the time and effort, teach them how federation works, how to use it so that at best their propaganda can be more varied?
Gifting a subscription to Groud news or some such would be fraction of the effort with better effect.
People don’t get their social media fix from Ground News. They do get it from going to platforms which governments use to push agendas without any pushing back from the people at the top. And it has been shown over and over again that people do not give a shit if an article is fact checked and shown to be false if it conforms to the ideology they’re being spoon-fed on those platforms by those governments.
By suggesting there’s no value in trying to get people off of platforms pushing government propaganda, you’re essentially saying that there’s no point convincing people not to voluntarily be lied to. I vehemently disagree.
By suggesting there’s no value in trying to get people off of platforms pushing government propaganda, you’re essentially saying that there’s no point convincing people not to voluntarily be lied to.
You are right that there is value to get people off of social media completely. But I am not convincing enough to make people do that.
As for Lemmy, while it is perhaps better, it is still full of misinformation and propaganda. I guess at least it is not just Government approved propaganda. I just don’t feel motivated to try and help for that level of difference. I have little experience with other fediverse platforms.
I prefer to spend my energy on making people care about their privacy and pushing people to Signal, etc.
Yeah, I am not going to go dictate what other peoples entertainment choices are tolerated. Excuse me from that.
Putting aside your incorrect assumption I don’t bring people I know over when it is appropriate. Why exactly should I do that? Are you under the impression there isn’t any propaganda on Lemmy and the wider feddiverse?
My time would be better spent getting people educated on how to think critically and find information properly.
You cannot find information properly on those websites, American or Chinese, and if you were a critical thinker, you wouldn’t use them.
Also, if someone says “racism should not be tolerated,” do you tell them that you’re not going to dictate what other people’s beliefs are too? Because “should not be tolerated” generally means “everyone needs to wake the fuck up and realize what’s going on” and not “people should be forced to do something.”
I’m not sure why you don’t realize that.
Again making weird assumptions.
I don’t use any social media besides Lemmy when I get bored. Getting important information from any social media including fediverse is dumb, that is why I call it entertainment.
And here goes the patented, “you disagree with me so you must be racist” argument.
Talk about assumptions. It was a general you, not you in specific, and I didn’t call you (in specific) racist, I was making a comparison with something I thought you would probably agree with to show why that phrase has nothing to do with dictating beliefs. I literally only said that because I was assuming, I admit it, that you are not a racist. Since you do not care for people assuming things about you, I apologize for assuming you were not a racist.
First of all, I made that comment because I find it distasteful and minimizing towards racism to suggest that I should react the same way or with same intensity to racism and someone using Facebook. My apologies if that is not what you meant, but it is what it sounds like to me.
Second of all, what is the value proposition here? I spend the time and effort, teach them how federation works, how to use it so that at best their propaganda can be more varied?
Gifting a subscription to Groud news or some such would be fraction of the effort with better effect.
People don’t get their social media fix from Ground News. They do get it from going to platforms which governments use to push agendas without any pushing back from the people at the top. And it has been shown over and over again that people do not give a shit if an article is fact checked and shown to be false if it conforms to the ideology they’re being spoon-fed on those platforms by those governments.
By suggesting there’s no value in trying to get people off of platforms pushing government propaganda, you’re essentially saying that there’s no point convincing people not to voluntarily be lied to. I vehemently disagree.
You are right that there is value to get people off of social media completely. But I am not convincing enough to make people do that.
As for Lemmy, while it is perhaps better, it is still full of misinformation and propaganda. I guess at least it is not just Government approved propaganda. I just don’t feel motivated to try and help for that level of difference. I have little experience with other fediverse platforms.
I prefer to spend my energy on making people care about their privacy and pushing people to Signal, etc.