Want to ignore 26 laws to destroy protected wildlife refuge in order to build Trump’s wall for him? Sure! No problem!
Want to do anything that might benefit the poor? “No you stupid progressive. This must be your first election because you don’t understand how anything works. Everyone knows that we need a quorum of both houses to convene in a graveyard at midnight under a blood moon on the third Tuesday of the month, in accordance with the infield fly rule. Then, we wait for the appearance of the Great Pumpkin, so that we may know how to proceed.”
Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Cool. The talking points are out.
I know, this thread was crazy without any real answers. At least now there’s legislative and executive record out there.
Yeah, now there’s excuses for waiving 26 laws in order to enforce one of Trump’s laws. Hooray.
Just one excuse, the law that Congress won’t repeal since they’re down with the wall, but yea.
Well, as long as you’re honest that you’re making excuses.
As far as “excuses” go, respecting the Constitution and the legislative process are pretty good ones.
Spoken like a true John Oliver, bravo and agreed
Well, my main concern regarding the border wall no matter who is trying to build it, is the destruction of protected wildlife refuge and habitat, being that I’m an environmental conservationist. It pains me to hear about wild-lands and woodlands being clear-cut in the name of greed or something that doesn’t make much sense.
I live not too far from the section of wall Biden is gonna build for Trump. I worry about the ocelots.
I wasn’t aware a president could just “waive away” federal law.
marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.
It’s shitty all the way around.
The controversial work, which included construction on federally designated wilderness, was permitted under the Real ID Act. Created in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the act grants DHS the authority to waive any law, including bedrock statutes meant to safeguard the environment and areas of cultural significance, to build border barriers in the name of national security
Fuckn hell
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The article is misleading, Biden is actually explicitly not ignoring this law that is from 2019: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Look. The system works.
Yup. It’s too bad that something functioning correctly doesn’t mean it’s functioning well.
26 laws waived for Biden to build Trump’s wall for him, and we won’t help the poor because [stack of excuses].
Why are you blaming Biden and not Congress?
Because Congress didn’t waive 26 laws to enforce 1.
Wow, you even misunderstood the TLDR.
Congress is building this wall from a baby hands law in 2019 that broke those federal laws, Biden tried to stop the wall legally, Congress told him no, and to your last point he just canceled 90 billion dollars of debt for a poor people.
You could be more wrong, but it would be hard to imagine how.
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Hey, there are a millions of ways of making fun of Trump without body shaming. Body shaming affects everyone, and Trump will not see your comment.
I completely agree that name calling should be off the table, but as long as baby hands continues to body shame and use pejorative nicknames on public forums, I have no problem with equal treatment.
I don’t see the benefits of giving special treatment to abhorrent people.
Patriot Act had a lot of babies
Why do you think The President is beholden to congress? The separation of powers explicitly says that isn’t the case and if there is something the president is doing that the other 2 branches of government say he shouldn’t do, there is a specific process for such a thing. Otherwise he has enormous leeway to do what he feels should be done even if some dumb asses in congress or on the internet don’t want it to be the case.
I get what you’re saying, but there’s a lot more to separation of powers than this. You might be well aware of all this, but for those that aren’t, here’s a giant wall of text.
The executive branch’s powers are clearly defined and including acting as the head of the military, the head of foreign affairs, and the executor of the laws congress passes. It is quite restricted by congress in many ways. Of course, the executive branch has emergency powers and limited ways around the laws congress enacts, but that’s not the default and it is very much intended to be restricted by congress.
The executive branch also has room to make interpretations (create regulations) and to prioritize certain laws when they come into conflict.
This is what they’re doing here. They have weighed the laws (from congress) they are tasked with enforcing, which includes (a) specific immigration restrictions and (b) a variety of other ones that could impact their ability to execute the immigration restrictions (the “26” laws waived, including water and environmental protections). The DHS (an executive branch agency) has determined that (b) these 26 place an undue burden that prevents them from executing (a) the immigration restrictions, and is therefore temporarily waiving (b).
You can read the actual order here: https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2023-22176.pdf
Notice that it does not say it’s randomly waiving laws of its own accord without a law that it is executing. It is clearly referencing the statues (enacted by congress) that it is acting on. It is identifying that it is failing to execute some laws, but only so it can prioritize another one it has deemed more important for this specific action. It’s also become popular for the executive branch to use emergency decrees to act unilaterally, but these are supposed to be much more limited and a functioning judiciary/congress should hold the executive accountable when this happens.
What the executive branch is NOT doing here is very important too. It is NOT deciding it doesn’t want to do what congress says. Congress could rewrite the immigration law or any of the other 26 laws to change the way the executive branch executes them, if it feels the executive is implementing them wrong. And the judicial branch could easily weigh in on this if someone affected brings the case to them.
Agreed with what you are saying. But the important thing I was getting at is that the Executive Branch isn’t paralyzed just because Congress passes a web of laws that make all actions of the executive unlawful. They are fully autonomous and able to prioritize what laws they enforce, and how they enforce them which is absolutely what they are doing here. Though obviously leftists would prefer that Biden enforce different laws with different priorities.
Very true. Even just writing (or rewriting) the regulations is full of ways to get whatever the executive branch wants.
It’s sort of wink wink nudge nudge.
What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?
Jim Crow Joe
My first guess is that it was something they had to agree to as part of a deal. Like to keep the government open or something like that. Could very well be wrong though.
This was my guess as well but neither the linked source nor any other one I can find explain exactly why he did it.
It just feels so out of left field for the administration. I’m not saying the Biden administration is perfect cause its not, but border walls are not something he has ever given any indication of having as a priority.
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Why??? We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They’re not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do
We’re experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.
There’s not a shortage of workers, but of wages.
Except that US has an aging population and it’s going to get worse in future because the birth rates aren’t that high. Closing off border is going to fuck US in the long run.
Oh I agree the closing off the border is dumb. Only a tiny fraction of illegal immigration is over the border anyways: the vast majority is people overstaying Visa’s.
But the whole “aging population” issue is just more propaganda from corporate interests to try to find ways to get more workers and continue to suppress wages.
Why is the population aging in the first place? No one can afford to have children.
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Can you please provide a source for Biden repeatedly asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds?
Oh, Whitehouse.gov has an actual timeline.
TLDR, day he became president, Jan 2021, He terminated wall funding he had legal control over, that’s what I mentioned about the money going back to the DOD, called for Congress to reallocate cheeto wall funding, that request has been active for 3 years, and there’s an official reiteration by the white house for Congress to cancel Cheeto wall funding.
Thanks!
For sure, have a good one
This one is with an interview of Biden:
Hopefully, they at least switched contractors.
Haha, I doubt it. It’s the same law from 4 years ago so everything is probably all the same.
Are you referring to a specific debacle with the contractors, or just the fact that the walls fell apart so quickly and were immediately rendered ineffective after wasting billions of dollars building them?
I just found this thread and tracked down the original for you.
Which explicitly states the same language, but from 2019.
Oh, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s the exact same law from 2019
yep!
Well, the contractors that the trump administration used were just bratva fronts. So I would hope that we’re at least not giving anymore money to violent pedophiles.
Oh, I don’t know anything about this. Do you mind giving a little exposition or throwing up a source I can read? Thanks
What a narrow view when one looks at historic pay adjusted for inflation. Your view literally supports a lower quality of life for everyone not willing to work for a slave wage, that illegal immigrants are willing to do.
“Nothing will fundamentally change”
How about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won’t have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.
Won’t a wall, supposing it’s somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?
Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
Finally, wouldn’t the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments’ budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).
Don’t get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it’s not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.
Fun fact, we closed the southern border because of racism in the 1800s. Before then, people could travel freely, and it wasn’t a problem in the slightest.
Considering that most illegal immigration happens by people overstaying a visa, not crossing the border, this is mostly performative.
Or at least that was true a few years ago. I don’t know if it’s changed at all.
Looks like a legacy baby hands decision, not a biden decision: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
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Here’s what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
Biden’s executive order to halt construction on the wall didn’t work too well, did it?
For reference, the Trump administration built 458 miles of wall.
Has Mexico sent a check yet? Maybe PayPal?
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A wall demonstrably does not work along a largely unpatrolled, continuously compromised border. Trump proved that by building walls that kept nobody out and quickly fell apart or ran out of funding. I am very curious what the reasoning behind this is. I can’t imagine the impotence of such a deterrent measures up to its cost.
It’s probably just a political play to try and take some ammo away from fox/conservatives who keep crying about the border. Realistically it will be exactly like Trumps 400 miles of wall that do nothing. But w/e politics is made to spend our money on useless stuff
According to the Democrats, walls are only acceptable if Israel, or an elected person with a (D) next to their name says they are ok.
According to Democrats, border wall construction is a terrible solution to the problem. Maybe in limited circumstances? Can’t say if this is good or not, but my gut says it’s pointless, just like Trump’s wall.
I mean walls work, and have for thousands of years. But if you as a party are aginst walls, it’s really easy for the president to NOT build a wall. So if you are going to condemn Trumps wall before you are president, then why would you build a wall while you are president?
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-not-another-foot-150640122.html
I don’t want to get into an argument about why an enormous border wall covering our entire southern border that mexico pays for won’t fix our illegal entry problem.
As to why they built new wall? I have no idea. Maybe Biden realized he was wrong and some wall in some places helps. Maybe there was some bureaucratic reason it got built without him knowing or approving. Edit: read the article again, second reason doesn’t seem likely
If you want to see democrats losing their minds over this, you won’t. Most people ignore these things from their own side. Others see it but will give him a pass because this likely isn’t an overall shift in strategy towards a giant wall project
I thought Republicans were the more pro-Israel party? I think you’re trying to insult some people, but this just doesn’t make sense
Being pro-israel, receiving money from AIPAC is bipartisan and evil. I’m not really interested in what party is “the most pro-israel.” I am merely pointing out that the rhetoric condemning trumps border wall, by the current president and other members of the democratic party was obviously bullshit especially considering the Israel has been doing the same for much longer then Trump.
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This is a 2019 baby hands law that Biden has not been able to convince Congress to overturn.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/
TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.
This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.
