I’m losing it seeing comments not getting that half the joke is that Americans don’t know what socialism means.

Democrats were so overwhelmed by the guilt of it all that they didn’t cheat this time.

Voter turnout in swing states, the only ones where the voter total really matter in our trash electoral system, actually stayed the same or increased. You can check and compare the reuslts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The large drop is due to turnout depression in blue strongholds where voters knew democrats would win. Trump won swinstates in spite of turnout. I want you to be more informed.

Fuck, this really opened my eyes. You ruined giraffe centaurs for me. D:

“Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that?” The vast majority of voters and non voters are not on Lemmy or in your circles. The protest 3rd party votes and non voters are a small fraction of the overall turnout suppression that happens with a bad campaign. My frustration is that I’m already seeing individuals like yourself and establishment democrats learning the wrong lessons. What you’re saying is the same lesson the Democrats have learned in past elections and it’s what will keep them losing. Rather than energizing support with a populist campaign and policies they only campaign as the status quo compared to the Republican threat and it is not working.

Obama won by a large margin in 2008 because people were energized by the promise of change. Rather than delivering on that promise or learning that that was effective messaging they thought they had gained party loyalty that they could exchange for corporate friendly policy.

You’re right nonvoters, Trump voters, etc are culpable for this loss. My frustration is seeing so much focus on it. Shaming people did not did not work this election and it won’t work in the next. The issue wasn’t that you didn’t shame.hard enough. Keep doing it if it makes you feel better, but you’re yelling at a wall.

For fucks sake read the words im about to write.

It sucks that those people didnt vote. I think that they should have voted. It’s even okay to be mad at them for not voting, but that’s not the important part. None of that fixes anything. I think its more important to look at why they didn’t vote and how to get them to vote.

Wanting to make them hurt because we’re hurting is not a strategy. The problem is that people did not vote for Kamala Harris. Trump’s turnout increased in 2024. Do you think Republicans shamed their voters or do you think that they offered change? The solution is not to lash out at other voters. The solution is to identify people not voting as a problem, but to then look at the root causes of that problem. I can promise that the problem is not that you didn’t vote shame people hard enough.

Looking for reasons why something happened does not excuse it, but it does help you understand why it happened.

How am I making excuses?

I would have liked Trump to lose. When assessing what went wrong we need to look at the causes. You can say, “these lazy dumb idiots didn’t vote,” but that isn’t a fix. That’s only identifying a problem. We now need to figure out how to get lazy dumb idiots to vote.

My frustration is that its the job of a political party to motivate lazy dumb idiots and the democrats haven’t been doing a very good job.

Shaming people for not voting has never been an effective strategy for significantly increasing turnout. I feel like it’s been tried and maybe people need some good policies in tandem with your shaming to motivate them.

I don’t like that they don’t vote. I think that they should vote. I want to think about how we can get them to vote.

Keep being dense though. I’m glad it makes you feel better.

Then don’t defend the flaws of the Democratic party and call a spade a spade. We know Trump sucks. I voted and encouraged others to vote. The job of any party is to motivate turnout. Turnout did not diminish because some random person on Lemmy said they weren’t going to vote or criticized somebody.

The Democratic party hurt their own turnout and appeal by defending the status quo and appealing to Republicans. That kills any sort of enthusiasm people have. They clearly did not win over any substantial number of Republicans and they suppressed their own turnout.

Many people voting do not have a deep interest in politics. I can complain about how they should care more, but they either don’t have the time or they can’t be bothered. Give them something to make it worth the effort. Trump motivates turnout because even though you and I know he’s shit he says he’s going to change things. For a lot of people voting works by assessing how I’m doing right now. Right now most people aren’t feeling great. So when one party says, “things are bad and I’m going to change them,” and the other party says, “actually things are great. Look how great the economy is recovering. Stop complaining about how your cost have living hasn’t recovered,” some people are going to ignore the bigotry and bullshit and others are going to give up.

I’m not asking for Socialist Santa Claus. I’m asking for the slightest bit of competency. I’m asking for assessing what the root causes of a loss are and how to fix it.

Amazing. You read a comment about how Trump is a genuine threat that needs real opposition rather than a Democratic party that looks to compromise with that threat and you immediately decide to kiss the asses of the party that repeatedly fails to protect us.

Edit: The Democratic Party has learned nothing from 2016, they learned the wrong lessons from 2020, and I worry they’ll learn nothing from this election. People critiquing the Democratic Party’s approach is not an endorsement of Trump. We want better opposition that actually fights for us. If all you want is to root for you team and ignore their flaws then we’re fucked.

You should be pushing the party to improve not shutting down any discussion of improving the parties platform or strategy. Trump got elected due to Democratic failures, not because people are discussing those failures.

In your mind a government actor would be speaking out against the government’s actions? You alright?

Your mom is the size of a small car, but I still think she’s cute.

LEGOES*

Pence was Trump’s last Vice President. His politics are as bad as any other republican, but he did the bare minimum of admitting to losing the last election and didn’t take part in any of the election overthrowing funny business.

My responses were brief. I should be more clear and less of a dick. I’m sorry for that.

As I said earlier in the thread that you didn’t read or didnt understand, “The politically adept way to answer protesters with a substantial base of support that you don’t want to alienate is to say, ‘I hear you.’”

If she wants their votes she needs policy and actions that will win those votes.

It’s a protest at a press conference. When protesting its beneficial to take your message to the press and politicians. I’m not claiming it was their turn to speak because the entire point of a protest is taking a stand and making your voice heard even if it isn’t convenient.

Historically effective protest movements weren’t convenient for politicians.

I’m sorry, I had no idea this concept could be so alien to anybody.

Protests are not effective if they can be ignored. THE ENTIRE POINT IS THAT IT ISN’T THEIR TURN TO SPEAK.

Edit: The politically adept way to answer protesters with a substantial base of support that you don’t want to alienate is to say, “I hear you.”

It likely is, but she most recently used the same phrase to shutdown pro-palestine protestors at a rally.

Describing people begging for a genocide to stop as just having hurt feelings and being impatient is a wild approach.

Protests aren’t supposed to be silent. That’s the entire point and the only way to get anything done. If Harris was already campaigning on a ceasefire they would have nothing to protest about and she wouldn’t be interrupted. These are constituents making their voices heard.